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RoyGBiv wrote:

viking1000 wrote:The Post Office where I live has no signs, besides as poverty stricken as the US Post Office is they must have every customer they can get. I live in a rural area.

The Post Office is not required to post signs... PO's are administered under Federal law.
Carrying into a PO is a violation of Federal law, even if there is no sign.

You CAN carry into a Contract Postal Unit.... a PO inside a regular retail store that is not owned by or operated directly by a Federal employee.

See 18 US Code §930

I am not a lawyer. This is my OPINION, not legal advice.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

RoyGBiv wrote:Although I hoped for school carry, I didn't give it much of a chance.

So... What's left?
Class C for first violation.
Clarifications in 30.06 re: schools, polling places and what happens if you stumble upon a field trip.
UCW strikes hospital and amusement parks

Is it ok to say that I liked the original Bill better?

jerry_r60 wrote:A major reason is that Charles keeps us informed when it's helpful to start making calls. He gives us a "call to action". This bill is very important to him and he knows the inside workings in Austin and what's going on. I asked him if it would help for us to start making calls and he said if/when the time comes, he'll put out a call to action.

Jumping Frog wrote:I remember residing in a previous state when it passed "bar carry" after trying for 3 consecutive legislative session against a detemined opposition. All of the major cities' newspapers were running lurid editorials proclaiming "guns and alcohol don't mix!" "There will be blood in the streets!" All the usual baloney. Actually, many of the same fears (and baloney) I read in this message thread.

I recall one major newspaper running a story after bar carry was legal for one year where it had the integrity to point out that despite all the fears leading up to the bill's passage, the reality was a total non-event. There were no troubles, no blood in the street, no drunken brawls involving CHL's. They admitted the fear campaign was completely unfounded.

There is no doubt in my mind that Texas CHL's able to carry in all locations--including bars--will similarly be a total non-problem.

C-dub wrote:Bad things aren't always going to happen in any of the places that are off limits. Just like with Campus Carry, it could be going to and from our vehicles. Let the bouncers take care of a problem inside the bar. What about after the comedy show is over and you're walking to your car late at night? Same thing with a student going to their car after a late night class. If I can't carry in those places then I am disarmed outside of them when I come and go.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

mr1337 wrote:So Craven, what you're saying is people shouldn't drink and carry. Well that's still going to be illegal.

It's not illegal to drink and carry now nor will it be under HB308. It's only illegal to carry while intoxicated.

Chas.

Craven Moorehead wrote:

dedeye wrote:I agree Alcohol and guns do not mix. I however go into a lot of bars everyday to work on video game,jukeboxes, Atms,...etc.
Sometimes the right location can have 1000 dollars or more not counting what ever might be in the Atm. I'm working, not drinking.
I should be able to defend myself in a bar!

Yes, there should be exceptions. That should be left to the owner of the establishment since you are servicing his bar equipment. Someone mentioned Comedy Clubs. I've been to a few and they are some of the worst for belligerent drunks. A scenario would be the comedian rags on one of the drunk obnoxious patrons for shouting out by making a joke about his mother. The drunk gets made and the rest is history. Why do you think they have bouncers? It's because they expect trouble on a regular basis. Have you ever seen a drunk patron take a swing at a bouncer. I have on a couple of occasions. My point which was missed by some is not all gun carrying folks are law abiding, or stable minded, responsible people when drinking. It's the law abiding and stable minded that will be sitting there enjoying their drink and get shot. Everything is diminished while under the influence including your aim. All of our criminal laws came to be because a few bad apples upset the cart. Blame the drunks not me.

Craven Moorehead wrote:This is just my opinion on the bar/51%. I've been to many bars, saloons,pubs, taverns, and clubs through my life. Not all but many I've seen people with issues after they have had a few drinks. People that normally wouldn't hurt a flea. But after they get a few drinks under their belts their personalities take a change for the worse. Anyone that goes into bars on a regular basis knows the type. And it happens to both genders. So I guess you can tell where my thoughts are on the subject. It's like an accident waiting to happen. I would leave that part of the current law alone. If I where a bar owner I would have a sign posted not allowing firearms regardless of the law. The liability for serving drunk drivers is bad enough. I wouldn't want to add drunk shooters to the mix. This is a common sense issue as I see it. IMHO I agree that this bill would move faster if that part of the current law was left in and I'm about as pro gun as you can get.

Aggie_engr wrote:I also feel like the whole bar thing is an unnecessary redundancy as its already against the law to be intoxicated while carrying.

locke_n_load wrote:

CJD wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:If licensed OC passes, will this be amended to include OC (would be nice for the sake of consistency)?

Hopefully in most places, but they'll probably try to exclude at least schools.

I don't think 46.035 bans schools in the first place, federal law does that. This would open up for carry at school or professional sporting/interscholastic events.

bigity wrote:I thought churches and such already had to post a 30.06 to prevent concealed carry?

I guess I need to read the bill and determine what areas this bill opens up (assuming no valid sign or verbal notice).