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flechero wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:49 pm

Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:35 pm Emerson pulled out his 17, cleared the chamber, inserted a loaded mag, and hurled it at a pile of rocks in a gorge. They all went down to retrieve his pistol. Everyone eared up, and Emerson emptied the mag into the hillside. He asked who would replicate the demo with the 1911s on hand. Dead silence, then laughter.

All that to say, some platforms are demonstrably more tolerant of abuse than others.

They were laughing at him, not with him. No one in attendance had a cheap gun, except the idiot that threw his. And the reality is that if it had hit right, it could have easily been rendered useless.

G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:29 am

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 10:10 am Perfect. So please provide your risk assessment comparing the potential, as well actual, reliability failures across the two platforms based on recorded, verified lifetime field data. That would be highly instructive.

And rest assured, I did not assume that your derogatory comment regarding "fanboys" applied to anybody on this forum.

I have seen one firearm with sufficient damage from peening that it would not function (That one firearm was a Glock), however you have two very well respected gunsmiths in the video saying that something which causes said peening is extremely bad. Perhaps you should contact them.

G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 9:43 am

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 8:05 am

G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:55 pm While the barrel lugs on a Glock don't take as much of a beating, they still get one and will show signs of damage after enough empty slide releases. The takedown lever "fix" only transfers the stress (and eventual damage) from the takedown lever to the locking block and frame.

I saw a pre-gen3 Glock that had lockup issues many years ago at the range, the locking lugs on the barrel and slide had been peened extensively. How did they get that way? I don't know for sure but the only thing I could think of was someone releasing the slide with the thing empty. Another thing I would point out is that every point that they make is valid especially slide release and revolver slam issues.

I think you just made my point for me!

You had a early "pre Gen 3" Glock, probably from just past the early bronze period? So an inexpensive, and at this point completely outdated polymer pistol. But Wilson's expensive, custom made 1911 has apparently similar weaknesses.

I'm sorry but I have seen Wilson's $3600+ 9mm 1911 jam, FTF, and lockup during training. When it works its a tack driver and definitely more accurate than a polymer striker fired handgun, but it's finicky wrt what ammunition it will accept and hardly reliable enough to be an EDC.

To post a video that essentially sends a message of hey dummy, you are not smart enough to appreciate my overpriced firearms - but I still want your money - is either the world's most brilliant reverse psychology marketing ploy, or an emerging display of hubris signaling the beginning of the end for Wilson. Time will tell.

Actually I didn't make your point, unless your point is that EVERY semi auto handgun can be damaged by improper handling in the fashion described about (If that is the case then I apologize for somehow misreading your posts). The design of the trigger mechanisms on the two platforms and their potential for damage (The Glock having minimal potential) from this type of bad handling was very well explained in the video, however the lockup issue is far more critical as it affects the barrel to slide fitment. While Glock fanboys will say something to the effect "Muh Glockenspiel dose nut have to have the barrel and slide fitmented to dee udder." (English translation: You don't have to fit a Glock slide and barrel to each other) they fail to understand that fitment is performed by the components being in spec. Peen the slide and barrel where they lock up and now you have lost that fitment due to being out of spec. As the damage progresses the performance of the firearm will begin to suffer while in extreme cases such damage can actually cause a potentially dangerous situation in ANY locking breach firearm.

G.A. Heath wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:55 pm While the barrel lugs on a Glock don't take as much of a beating, they still get one and will show signs of damage after enough empty slide releases. The takedown lever "fix" only transfers the stress (and eventual damage) from the takedown lever to the locking block and frame.

I saw a pre-gen3 Glock that had lockup issues many years ago at the range, the locking lugs on the barrel and slide had been peened extensively. How did they get that way? I don't know for sure but the only thing I could think of was someone releasing the slide with the thing empty. Another thing I would point out is that every point that they make is valid especially slide release and revolver slam issues.

flechero wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:45 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 pm As Hackathorn pointed out, the Glock is a different type of mechanism and nowhere near as precise as that on a custom 1911.

But as was pointed out just after that by Bill wilson- the barrel lug really takes a beating... that's not precise nor 1911 specific. In fact he specifically mentioned that in reference to glock.


I get it- you don't care for those guys. But being uppidy doesn't make them wrong.

AndyC wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:55 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 pm Then don't take your 1911's to a gun show and openly display them.

The point is about people mishandling firearms through ignorance, whether at a gun show or elsewhere. They're simply recounting their recent experience which happened to be at a gun show.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 pm And while I also do not use the slide release, I doubt it would damage the Glock. As Hackathorn pointed out, the Glock is a different type of mechanism and nowhere near as precise as that on a custom 1911.

Well, as Wilson said around 5:40 "It's not good on a Glock either"; I think I'll listen to a gunsmith of his stature.

I'm getting the distinct impression that you just have a beef with these two men, for some reason.

AndyC wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 4:15 pm I'd be upset if someone mishandled my inexpensive 1911 RIA; I don't see this as elitist in the slightest.

flechero wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 4:25 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 4:03 pm So Wilson took his expensive custom 1911's to the NRA show and then got upset when they were handled?

No, they were upset when the guns were being mishandled, big difference. As he pointed out, it's bad for any guns, glock included.