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by Scott B.
Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:18 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Carters Country!!! Dang it!
Replies: 23
Views: 1204

Re: Carters Country!!! Dang it!

The Annoyed Man wrote:OK..... I’m not trying to argue here.....I’m genuinely trying to learn something..... Previously, you said “Well, a pistol grip firearm is not a rifle or shotgun”. You didn’t say “a receiver is not a rifle [or shotgun]. I think I get why a receiver is not a rifle. It’s also not a pistol. Building it into a firearm is what makes it into that type of a firearm - which is how we end up with AR15 pistols, and AR15 rifles; two different kinds of firearms based on the same kind of receiver. But when you said “a pistol grip firearm is not a rifle or shotgun,” that is inconsistent with what I believe to be true about an AR15 long gun having a shoulder stock and a 16” or longer barrel - which indeed has both has a pistol grip, and is governed by the regulations concerning carbines/rifles. So can you see how that leaves me confused?

If you can clear this up for me, I’d appreciate it.

Okay, I see the disconnect, I wrote "...a pistol grip firearm is not a rifle or shotgun*, and therefore can't be sold to somebody under 21. Same applies for a stripped receivers [sic]..."

As already mentioned, "Pistol Grip Firearm" is a technical category, meaning it has only a pistol grip, not a pistol grip/stock combo. So, like a receiver it is neither a 'rifle' nor a 'shotgun'. Only an issue when trying to sell to an individual 18 - 21 yrs of age...until the govt and some boot licking companies screw that up.

The Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington Tac-14s are recorded as "Firearms" and not "Pistol Grip Firearms" or "Shotguns" to further confuse things.
by Scott B.
Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Carters Country!!! Dang it!
Replies: 23
Views: 1204

Re: Carters Country!!! Dang it!

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Scott B. wrote:Well, a pistol grip firearm is not a rifle or shotgun*, and therefore can't be sold to somebody under 21. Same applies for a stripped receivers and other not rifle or shotgun title 1 firearms. Idiotic, of course but it's the govt after all.

Voluntarily jumping onto the 21 yrs and older for rifles and shotguns is misguided.

Let the market decide, and it shall.

*ATF says. Argue with them, not me.
So an AR15 is not a rifle? If that’s true, then why do you have register an AR15-based SBR?
Didn't say that at all. A receiver is not a rifle, doesn't matter if it's an AR receiver or some other receiver.

Edit, this is a bit of ATF trivia, but there are a small number of title 1 firearms that are not rifles, shotguns, or pistols.
by Scott B.
Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Carters Country!!! Dang it!
Replies: 23
Views: 1204

Re: Carters Country!!! Dang it!

Well, a pistol grip firearm is not a rifle or shotgun*, and therefore can't be sold to somebody under 21. Same applies for a stripped receivers and other not rifle or shotgun title 1 firearms. Idiotic, of course but it's the govt after all.

Voluntarily jumping onto the 21 yrs and older for rifles and shotguns is misguided.

Let the market decide, and it shall.

*ATF says. Argue with them, not me.

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