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Russell wrote:

Papa_Tiger wrote:

Russell wrote:

AndyC wrote:What a bunch of nonsense - so we have 30-06, 30-07, 51% and something that looks like a 51% sign but isn't

We also have another one to worry about - I hadn't seen one of these signs before: https://www.texas3006.com/view.php?id=17793

Keep in mind, that only applies to 10 hospitals in the state:

Yep! I just hadn't seen one of those particular signs before and didn't realize they existed until that entry was posted

Recall that this list was created to keep any random hospital or clinic from claiming it is a "state" (mental illness) hospital just because they offer some counseling services.

To the extent that we have to have signs and "no go" areas anyway, this is a good thing. It also should provide some leverage to reduce other sign violations to at most civil penalties (altho better to eliminate altogether).

AndyC wrote:... and something that looks like a 51% sign but isn't

Which carries no penalty for you as a LTC holder. This is actually a case where the confusion and obscurity of the law works in our favor, mostly. At least if you have to go to court.

But yeah.

The Annoyed Man wrote: ...Then I must have misunderstood E.Marquez’s OP question, because I thought that the issue was Mr Holcomb insisting that hospitals MUST post 30.06/07 signs.

Yes, I think so, and I believe E.Marquez was initially confused too. However, the quote from Holcomb was referencing the "non-51%" sign required by Sec. 411.204, not the 30.06/07 signs.

The Annoyed Man wrote:I have no clue who this Holcomb guy is,...

Terry Holcomb is the founder of the Texas Carry organization, and was the guy sued by Waller County when he filed a complaint about their court house signs with the Texas AG. That's covered in this thread: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... lit=waller

From what is presented in THIS thread, it does not appear he said anything that conflicts with Charles Cotton's explanation of the law(s) a few posts back. Hospitals are required to post a certain sign, which is not a 30.06/30.07 nor a 51% sign (it is the same verbiage as a 515 sign, but does not have the "51%" nor does it trigger the same part of the law as the 51%). It has nothing to do with alcoholic beverages. The law appears to require only that they hospital post the sign and provide a notice, but it does not create any offense for an armed LTC holder.

(We really need a new name for the sign that hospitals are supposed to post, calling it the 51% sign is confusing because that's not what it is. Better, the legislature should dump all this sign nonsense.)

That said, it appears the head of security at the hospital where rotor found the sign does not know the law. Me, I would not go educate him because that will probably just result in the hospital putting the 30.06/30/07 signs back up. I would just discreetly carry and go about my business.