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XDgal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:12 pm Try looking at the fifth amendment of the Constitution of the United States.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury..."

Which does NOT say that ALL homicides must be presented to the grand jury.

It just says if the DA wants an indictment for a felony he has to go to a grand jury to get it. If a DA chooses not to pursue a felony in a homicide case, then he doesn’t have to go to the grand jury.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:07 pm
That's not true. Most homicides are presented to a grand jury, but it's not required. ...

Chas.

Thanks, I didn't think that was right.

One thing I keep reading on other forums is that "In Texas all homicides have to be taken to a grand jury."

I thought that sounded fishy, and I can find no such requirement in the Texas Code of Criminal Procedures, nor so far in any other Code. Is there any actual statutory/legal precedent/or other actual rule that says this? All I have found so far is that if the DA wants to prosecute a felony, he has to take it to a grand jury and get an indictment (unlike misdemeanors where he can issue an information and prosecute on his own authority).

Any idea where this notion comes from?

I did some looking. The Tarrant County website says Tarrant County empanels two grand juries simultaneously, which each serve three days per week for three months, then another pair of GJs are empaneled. 14,000 felony cases per year.

Why on earth did that take so long? Holy smokes. Commie flu or not, this was not a legally difficult nor complicated case. It was as well documented as you couldwish.

Some of Hockheim's technical points about conducting security "professionally" are good. Stuff to study when making a security plan.

He completely misses the point that volunteer security teams are in place because the "professionals" are a big drain on the budget of smaller churches. That's why they are "volunteers." It is also expensive in time and money, both of which come out of the pocket of the volunteers. The choice for the church is not between a bunch of amateurs or a professionally trained, years-of-experience, federally-salaried and -pensioned security team with an essentially unlimited budget capable of protecting the president. It is a choice between "nobody" and having a team of those willing to step up, a choice that became legal only a few months ago.

Hockheim's criticizing Jack Wilson and the team in general for stepping up fulfilling their volunteer duties as best they could given the constraints they have is absolutely loathsome and shows Hockheim himself to be an.... let's just say, for the sake of this forum's rules, "unprofessional." I don't think anyone (and I'll bet least of all the vol security team) is disregarding the errors and the missed opportunities by the volunteer security team, but that does not detract from their heroism. Absent that volunteer security team, no doubt the death toll was going to be higher.

I eagerly await his offer to provide volunteer church security teams free training. Oh, but he wants to be paid for his time. Ah.

(And given the antics of the Secret Service over the years, I would hardly hold them up as an example of how to do things).

CBS had a video report on it. I don't know if it ran in prime time news, I do not watch network tv, but it appears it ran live initially.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-chur ... 020-01-13/

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governo ... ack-wilson

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:28 pm
The lack of clarity in ID'ing each shooter is the crux of the troubling reporting.

No, don’t think so. Something of this magnitude your check your facts. Best you can say about this is it’s contemptible carelessness in rushing to print, no doubt exacerbated by their stereotype of gun owners in general.

So apparently Reuters is going for the “Richard Jewell award for excellence in reporting”

I believe the murderer triggered a third shot simultaneously with Jack Wilson’s shot.

Murderer went down fast from the head shot, didn’t need a follow up.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:19 pm

WildBill wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:30 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:25 pm The guy who took out the trash was a trained shooter.


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Some more information about Jack Wilson
https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack-wilson/

The link wildbill posted said there were two parishioners that shot the suspect. I only see the one firing. Was it a single shot or two shots?

The shooting occurred at the church in White Settlement, Texas, a community located a few miles from Fort Worth. Authorities said an armed parishioner also shot the gunman at the same time as Wilson.

“The suspect is deceased, and the threat has stopped thanks to the heroic action of those two parishioners at the church,” White Settlement Police Chief J.P. Bevering said at a news conference. The second parishioner has not been named.

The vid shows only one parishioner shooting. The sheriff said “action”, not shots, I think he was referring to the parishioner who stood up first.

Keith B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:15 pm The parishioner who was shot was trying to draw from concealment. He made a couple of mistakes; letting the gunman see him drawing and standing still. To quote Clint Smith: "If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick."

My thought also, and he took a long time to draw. Hard to tell how much room there was on far side of church, he may not have had much room to maneuver, but he took too long to draw, and drawing from 4 o'clock really telegraphs the draw. Brave man, RIP.

SewTexas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:56 pm uggg, that "new law" thing again.....

Yes I noticed that.