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Solaris wrote:

Pariah3j wrote:

Solaris wrote: I could not care less how many people want to pile on me. I have yet to see anyone take one of my points and say I was wrong (for example say it is a good tactic to stand within striking distance of an adversary). but the night is early!

I'll bite... when exactly was he standing within striking distance of him once became a threat ?

He was condition WHITE for the first 2.5 minutes, but saw the argument and the clerk showing the guy the door and come back to argue. At 2:45 he exposed his strong side gun to the guy, within easy grab/strike distance. His head is looking down at his money in his hands and he would never have seen it coming. After he did at least go weak side but still way to close IMO and had his head looking down at his money in his hands again.

We can't hear audio, so we don't really know when this guy really became a threat or problem. Yeah he's refusing to leave or arguing w/ the clerk at about 2:30, but no obvious signs that I can see to have caused red alert status. You say he's at condition White - I disagree. He observes what's going on, makes an assessment and shuffles to the guy's other side. In a convenience store like this your always within 'striking distance' of someone, esp while waiting to check out. He kept the guy at arms length - there isn't alot more room that one can give and still be in line.

Solaris wrote: I could not care less how many people want to pile on me. I have yet to see anyone take one of my points and say I was wrong (for example say it is a good tactic to stand within striking distance of an adversary). but the night is early!

I'll bite... when exactly was he standing within striking distance of him once became a threat ?

Pawpaw wrote:

I can't see the picture

So I thought I'd throw my .02 cents in here for what its worth(may not be worth much considering inflation )

Several have suggested the clerk should have locked the door until the police arrived. I worked at a fuel desk for a truck stop/gas station for several years during college - had 2-3 of these situations arise. I wasn't able to lock the door after the confrontation. Assuming this man wasn't the manager/store owner - he probably did not of have the keys to do this either.

I've seen some suggest H2H as an option - that isn't always a good option for someone who is irate and in my opinion is even worst with someone who's drunk and irate (which is the assumption I'm going with because of the way the man walked and some of his mannerisms)- they won't feel it, you will most likely have to KO/TKO them. H2H will always be a last ditch effort for me, I would like to believe if it comes to it I'll walk out on top because I have a will to survive but then again, I won't be useing subdue techniques - they will be deadly and to stop the threat. So with that in mind, why not use the fire arm if I'm just as legally justified to do so ?

Next I see alot of comments on the defender's tactics. I went back and watched the video - I don't see much he did wrong. Guy gets irate with the clerk and he(the defender) is standing, gun exposed to him, so he swaps sides. Then after the guy throws stuff at the clerk, he steps out and appears to glances at the guys plate(in LA only back plates are required if I remember correctly). Maybe that was a mistake, but not one I think he could have known at the time. As others have suggested he was trying to be a good witness. He proceeds to return to the store. There is a loss of what happened after he walked away from the back of the vehicle to the store entrance so unsure what escalated the issue. When they come into view in the store, pistol is drawn and words are being exchanged. But this doesn't seem to deter the drunk man. The drunk man is already laying hands on the defender and he appears to be trying to back up. I suspect because he was trying to avoid using the gun. He finds a narrow isle, I suspect he was trying to create a barrier or distance. At this point the drunk seems to be trying to either get his gun from him or pull him off balance. Its not until he forces him into a corner that I believe he uses the gun - hard to say when he started firing because I couldn't see it fire w/ the 2-3 seconds between frames.

This is the perfect example I use with one my military buddies who think carrying daily is overkill/unnecessary. a problem arises quick and very few of us can predict when. He seems to think when that moment comes his military training will make him into John Wick.

For those questioning this man's tactics and choices ? Please tell me what you would have done differently ? Nothing is not really an answer - You could choose to do nothing, that's fine, but this man did do something. I believe evil happens when good men do nothing. I feel like he tried to make a difference, be a 'good Samaritan' and help the clerk/police by being a witness.