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by WildBill
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

I have been reading some news reports about the shooting of Botham Jean and many of them
reveal that he was eating vanilla ice cream in his apartment when he was shot and killed.
Am I reading too much into this or would it have mattered if he was eating chocolate ice cream? :headscratch

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dalla ... index.html
by WildBill
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Amber Guyger’s Defense Team Says Former Dallas Officer Got Fair Trial: ‘She Shot And Killed Such A Wonderful, Innocent Young Man’
I hadn't seen anything about the defense lawyers for Amber Guyger. This link shows some video of the three lawyers
talking to a reporter. I find it very strange. The lawyers are saying that she got a fair trial, but then at the
last second they mention an appeal. It is like they gave up before the trial started. Like they weren't trying to
get her acquitted.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/10/02/amb ... air-trial/
by WildBill
Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

ELB wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:11 pm
WildBill wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:00 pm
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If he didn't have any arrests I don't think they would know.
I Bing'ed his name for Texas arrests, turns out "Joshua Brown" is a VERY popular name under which to be arrested. Too many for me to sort through.
I don't know the laws in Texas, but usually the attorney can impeach a witness if they are a felon.
by WildBill
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:00 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

ELB wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:23 am
Paladin wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:26 am
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That's a really long way to go to buy drugs. From what WFAA says the 3 drove over 300 miles from Louisiana to steal drugs from Brown.
Perhaps because they had done business with him in the past and thought he had a lot of drugs to steal?

Interesting.

Did the prosecution know their witness against a police officer was a drug dealer? Did the defense lawyers know?

I wonder if this will work its way into the appeals.
If he didn't have any arrests I don't think they would know.
by WildBill
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:49 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

crazy2medic wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:42 am
Dave2 wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:34 pm
Ruark wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 am
I just have a hard time with her not understanding she was on the wrong floor and wrong apartment.
Other aspects of the case notwithstanding, this is completely understandable. I've made this mistake myself in the past, in apartments and hotels where all the floors, hallways, doors, etc. are identical. After 5,000 times, walking to your door just becomes automatic, especially when you're exhausted from a 14 hour shift. The elevator door opens, you step out, turn left, walk to the third door and go in. You could do it blindfolded. If the elevator HAPPENS to open on the next floor, it's very easy to not notice.
Eh, sorta? Two floors are rarely identical. At least in the apartment complexes I’ve lived in or been to, once people have been inhabiting it long enough, there are typically clues like different welcome mats, door decorations, or maybe someone has a potted plant out front or something. And if the stair case/elevator is near a window, the view can be drastically different depending on the height/appearance of neighboring buildings.

How aware you need to be to notice such things obviously depends on the details. Coming off a 14-hour shift would certainly not help.
Per the Texas Ranger that did the investigation he went to the wrong Apartment on three separate occasions, he had statements from 93 residents that stated they had gone to the wrong apartment, the Texas Ranger stated that neither the floors or apartments were marked! This has been my question all along why did she not note that the furniture was different or layed out different, just seems peculiar to me.
She worked a 14 hour shift, was anxious to get home and was detracted talking on her phone - I think it is entirely plausible that she thought she was at her own apartment.
If you refuse to believe that, do you think she just went to the other apartment to break in and shoot the resident? That makes even less sense to me.
by WildBill
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

carlson1 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:56 pm
Is this interesting or just a coincidence?
I don't think a coincidence.
Maybe he was a witness to another crime and they didn't want him to testify?
by WildBill
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
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Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:11 am
carlson1 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:21 pm
One of the attorney’s for Jean family has been asked to investigate. As the old preacher said, “gag a maggot off a gut wagon.”

If someone was doing this to effect the trial they were late. His testimony wasn’t what sealed the deal. I did hear him testify to meeting Botham that day and he said, “ I met him and we
smoked weed and sang gospel songs
.” All he said about the shooting was he never heard Guyger give commands. Not much in my opinion.
Now there is an interesting combination. That is right up there with getting drunk and baying at the moon. :shock:
He testified they were singing Gospel and Drake. Now that is an interesting combination. :lol:
by WildBill
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
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Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

carlson1 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:36 pm
The most power victim statement (Botham’s brother) I have heard and ended like nothing I have seen. I am old man, but I couldn't help it I cried.

:iagree:
by WildBill
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:35 pm
C-dub wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:08 pm
WOW

WOW

WOW

When they appeal, I wonder how much of the testimony this jury didn’t get to hear will be presented or allowed. Then if this is overturned that’s it, right? It doesn’t go down to manslaughter, right?

And if that happens she is free because they dumped their mag in this trial with regards to convicting on murder instead of manslaughter.
IANAL, but I think that if there was a procedural error, such as improperly excluding testimony, then the case gets reverted back and can be re-tried (with the relevant testimony included). So not a complete reversal and freedom, but definitely a better outcome for the defendant than where she is at right now. Worst case, she ends up in the same exact spot.
I think that is why the judge allowed the castle doctrine defense, so the defense couldn't use that on appeal.
I am not sure about the other testimony - she did allow some testimony from DPS that related to state of mind.
The figures about how many other people went to the wrong apartments is a different story. I guess we will have to wait and see.
I understand why the defendant was allowed to testify, but I think it may have backfired. Although I don't know what else they could
have done to present their side of the story.
by WildBill
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Since the beginning of this case there have been not-so-subtle racial undertones. This really makes me angry.
I wish that people didn't try to make everything about race. Ben Crump, the Jean's family lawyer, even brought
up Trayvon Martin!
After the verdict, Ben Crump, an attorney for the Jean family, said 26-year-old Jean was a "near perfect" person.

"This jury had to make history in America today, because Botham was the best that we had to offer," Crump said. "Twenty-six year old,
college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world, PricewaterhouseCoopers."

"But it shouldn't take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice," Crump said.

Crump said the verdict wasn’t just for Jean and his family.

“This verdict is for Trayvon Martin," he said, "it’s for Michael Brown, it’s for Sandra Bland, it’s for Tamir Rice, it’s for Eric Garner,
it’s for Antwon Rose, it’s for Jemel Roberson, for EJ Bradford, for Stephon Clark, for Jeffrey Dennis, Genevieve Dawes, for Pamela Turner.”

“O’Shae Terry,” interjected Merritt, who also represents the Jeans.

“For so many black and brown unarmed human beings all across America,” Crump continued, holding Allison Jean’s hand in the air, "
this verdict today is for them. Everybody can raise their hands — this verdict is for them. This verdict is for them.”

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/ ... tham-jean/
by WildBill
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

AndyC wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:29 pm
I'm curious how they got to "murder" - I had thought that that charge implies premeditation.
In the summation the prosecutor said that after she opened the door she drew her handgun and entered the apartment intending to kill the person.
I haven't seen all of the testimony of the defendant, but I think she said that she intended to kill him because he was coming toward her.
by WildBill
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

bbhack wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:39 am
The sound bite I'm hearing has the jury foreman saying "No outbursts" after the verdict was read. Since when does the jury foreman control the courtroom? This is outrageous.
I read that it was a bailiff who made that statement.
While bailiffs warned those in the courtroom about cellphone use and reactions, a woman yelled "yes" as the judge read the verdict. A bailiff standing behind her immediately admonished, ”No outbursts!”
by WildBill
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

carlson1 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:03 am
Jago668 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:57 am
carlson1 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:45 am
Found guilty of murder.
Honestly surprised. I was expecting manslaughter.
I thought manslaughter, but then again the jury never heard all investigator’s testimony.
I also thought manslaughter. Since we were not in the courtroom and didn't hear and see what the jury did, I can also understand the murder conviction.
It appears to me that being a police officer was both an advantage and disadvantage for the defendant.
I think most non-LEOs in this situation would have retreated and called for help rather than entering the apartment.
by WildBill
Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

carlson1 wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:16 pm
This is also interesting from a prosecutor that is not involved in this case said.
"It's a really legally interesting case, how 'mistake of fact' can be such a powerful defense,"
...If the jury believes she was mistaken in entering the wrong apartment and perceived Jean as a deadly threat, Guyger could be acquitted of murder.

"So the real question is whether the mistake of fact defense negates that intent, and if it does she should be found not guilty," ...
Of course, I don't know the real reason. Maybe this prosecutor is going to run for the DA job in the next election and he wants to show the current prosecutor is too "aggressive".
by WildBill
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 414
Views: 21673

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Paladin wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:12 am
Dallas Officer Accused of Killing Neighbor Had No Drugs or Alcohol in System, Detectives Testifies

Why in the world did they wait a YEAR to release this information?
This case has a lot of interesting legal maneuvers. Neither the prosecution or defense is required
to release the information. Based on their respective strategies they chose not to.

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