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by Soccerdad1995
Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: TX: Lubbock potential self defense death occurs
Replies: 64
Views: 19112

Re: TX: Lubbock potential self defense death occurs

My audio seems to be slightly delayed when I watch the video, such that I can't identify the shot that was fired into the ground. But it appears that this happened after the father pushed into the boyfriend. I'm basing the following on that fact pattern:

Here are my thoughts. The father was clearly trespassing. If the mother ever did give him permission to enter this property that permission was clearly revoked, on video, by the property owner. At that point, the father is trespassing. He is also visibly angry and is aggressively moving toward a much smaller female who appears to be remaining comparatively calm. Father also appears to be much larger than the boyfriend.

Boyfriend then decides to arm himself. I don't think this action is unreasonable since the aggressive trespasser is between boyfriend and the mother, and is larger then either of them.

Father then advances on the boyfriend, pushing into him and threatening to "take this gun and ....." I've seen reports of the "...." including the words "kill you", but I can't quite make out exactly what he said. Either way, it is clearly a direct verbal threat of violence. Father also appears to make contact with the gun, which would obviously reinforce the threat he just made. A shot is fired into the ground, and shortly after that the boyfriend fires several shots while he is moving away from his attacker (the father).

Importantly, the father was not shot "because he was trespassing". The trespassing was the instigation for the fight between him and the boyfriend, but he was only shot after he threatened the boyfriend and then appeared to try and make good on that threat.
by Soccerdad1995
Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:13 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: TX: Lubbock potential self defense death occurs
Replies: 64
Views: 19112

Re: TX: Lubbock potential self defense death occurs

I'm not sure if others watched the same video as others here, but I saw the deceased guy repeatedly refuse orders to leave (trespass), advance repeatedly on an armed man after the shooter tried to move away, and grab the shooters gun (assault). If he had managed to get the gun, the shooter might well be the person who is dead now. I believe I also heard the deceased say "I'll take that from you" or words to that effect.

The actions immediately before the shooting are very similar to the first guy that was shot by Rittenhouse, IMHO. Especially the grabbing of his gun.

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