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by Soccerdad1995
Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:09 pm
Forum: Other States
Topic: Can't carry TWO guns
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Re: Can't carry TWO guns

I took my daughter to the range on Saturday. While firing my Glock 19, a round failed to completely load into the chamber and the slide locked up. I could not budge it at all. Luckily we had brought more then one gun to the range. It made me think of this thread.

For those who might be interested, I was able to drop the mag, and looking up through the magwell I could see that the round was stuck about 1/8 inch from fully chambering. After giving up on it, I let it sit for 30 minutes, tried again and easily racked the slide ejecting the unfired round. I'm thinking that the cooling off period helped somehow.

It was factory ammo (Federal) and not a reload.
by Soccerdad1995
Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:41 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: Can't carry TWO guns
Replies: 43
Views: 7220

Re: Can't carry TWO guns

MechAg94 wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
MechAg94 wrote:
jmorris wrote:SOB, left, right, shoulder, belly band, kangaroo, ankle. Saw someone do it once as a demo. He said it wasn't uncomfortable but I'd imagine it'd be a bit of weight. Say average weight of 1.3 lbs per loaded firearm that's almost 10 pounds. Just realized he could have carried on both ankles.
It seems to me that you reach a point where it is easier to carry more magazines for one or two guns than more guns. Probably faster to reload than pull out a new gun also unless you do a lot of practice drawing from all those holsters. It would make a little more sense if you are carrying a bunch of 38 snubbie revolvers I guess.

There is also the issue of drawing and using different guns. If they are not all the same or have the same manual of arms, that could trip you up also.

Then again, if you think you might need 4 or 5 guns, you might want to think about just carrying a rifle..................and grenades. ..................................and bring lots of friends with rifles and grenades. :biggrinjester:
Here's my problem with one gun. If you have a malfunction that disables the weapon temporarily, you are dead. It's not about round limitations.

My most common way of carrying 4 guns would be as follows:
1. Commander length 1911 in a strong side belt holster. 2 Extra mags in a double mag holster on my weak side. If all goes well this is all I will need, but just in case.....
2. Kahr PM-9 in my weak side pants pocket.
3. Kel-Tec P3AT in a wallet holster on my strong side.
4. J frame in a weak side ankle holster in case I find myself knocked to the ground before I can draw any other weapon.

As far as manual of arms, it is the same motion for all of these guns. Draw weapon, hands meet in center of my body, arms are extended out and up, slide right thumb down as I engage the target (which either disengages the safety or just gets my thumb where it needs to be), line up sights, squeeze trigger.
What sort of malfunction are you worried about and what sort of situation are you imagining? It is your choice, but I am curious.

IMO, you could carry two Glock 19 pistols and have more ammo, be more effective, and be easier to use than 2 or 3 of those choices. Maybe switch over to a Springfield XDS for a backup to stick with the same caliber. My Springfield XD mod 2 in 45 is also compact, light, and easier to carry.....And it holds more ammo in the small compact magazine than the 1911. Maybe you could carry a Keltec sub2000 in a backpack with a few stick mags.

Carry a knife also.
I do have a knife, although I am a bit nervous around it since it reminded me that it needs to be respected at all times when I sliced open my finger while sharpening it. I would also love a Kel-Tec sub-2000 and will buy one as soon as I find it. It will be my only carry (along with the knife) in certain places that prohibit handguns. I probably will not carry it along with a handgun though.

As to malfunctions, I am specifically concerned about a severe FTE, or the like, which causes the slide to completely lock up. That is what I mean by temporarily disabling the weapon. Something I can fix when I have time and some tools available, but which will be deadly in the moment if I don't have a back-up available.

While carrying, I am less concerned about the same caliber as I am with the same manual of arms. The only different action for my set of weapons is whether I need to disengage a safety. This takes a nano-second and is at worst an unnecessary motion if the gun does not have a safety (revolver). I like having different size guns so I can carry them in different places. If they were all the same caliber, then there would be a significant difference in recoil (and I can't even find a P3AT size gun that is chambered in 45 ACP), which would be a concern. For me, having the same caliber is more of an issue on the range, and is a main reason why I try to only bring guns of one caliber to each range session, where there is a potential for mis-loading mags. I am not planning to reload mags in a defensive shooting situation so that is not a consideration.

I should also note that I usually only carry 2 guns and sometimes only one. Heck, I have been known to even carry only the P3AT in some situations, although I try to avoid that as much as possible.
by Soccerdad1995
Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:26 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: Can't carry TWO guns
Replies: 43
Views: 7220

Re: Can't carry TWO guns

MechAg94 wrote:
jmorris wrote:SOB, left, right, shoulder, belly band, kangaroo, ankle. Saw someone do it once as a demo. He said it wasn't uncomfortable but I'd imagine it'd be a bit of weight. Say average weight of 1.3 lbs per loaded firearm that's almost 10 pounds. Just realized he could have carried on both ankles.
It seems to me that you reach a point where it is easier to carry more magazines for one or two guns than more guns. Probably faster to reload than pull out a new gun also unless you do a lot of practice drawing from all those holsters. It would make a little more sense if you are carrying a bunch of 38 snubbie revolvers I guess.

There is also the issue of drawing and using different guns. If they are not all the same or have the same manual of arms, that could trip you up also.

Then again, if you think you might need 4 or 5 guns, you might want to think about just carrying a rifle..................and grenades. ..................................and bring lots of friends with rifles and grenades. :biggrinjester:
Here's my problem with one gun. If you have a malfunction that disables the weapon temporarily, you are dead. It's not about round limitations.

My most common way of carrying 4 guns would be as follows:
1. Commander length 1911 in a strong side belt holster. 2 Extra mags in a double mag holster on my weak side. If all goes well this is all I will need, but just in case.....
2. Kahr PM-9 in my weak side pants pocket.
3. Kel-Tec P3AT in a wallet holster on my strong side.
4. J frame in a weak side ankle holster in case I find myself knocked to the ground before I can draw any other weapon.

As far as manual of arms, it is the same motion for all of these guns. Draw weapon, hands meet in center of my body, arms are extended out and up, slide right thumb down as I engage the target (which either disengages the safety or just gets my thumb where it needs to be), line up sights, squeeze trigger.
by Soccerdad1995
Mon May 16, 2016 9:49 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: Can't carry TWO guns
Replies: 43
Views: 7220

Re: Can't carry TWO guns

I usually try to limit it to 4 handguns max on my person, plus another 2-3 in my car. But I'm pretty sure you can carry as many as you want.

A limit of one would require an extremely reliable gun along with a significant number of extra mags.

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