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Ruark wrote:

allisji wrote:

Ruark wrote:Wait a minute..... We're talking about 30.08 signs... But virtually every store in Texas already has that sign saying it's a felony to enter with an unlicensed handgun. You've seen it; there must be a million of them. So all of those will have to be removed? Ignored? It'll take years to re-educate all the store owners. Messy.

The law as indicated in the original post would get rid of the TABC blue signs. They would become obsolete

Are you talking about this sign? This is the one I'm referring to. Probably 90% of the public stores in Texas have these posted somewhere, certainly every convenience store, gas station, etc.

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Stripes Dude wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:This is a flaw with unlicensed carry and federal law. To fix this issue you would have to go to the federal level and correct the problem there.

I'll get excited about this when that is dealt with.

At minimum, we need an unofficial mandate to federal LEO like what was done in the pot legalization states (don't arrest for pot possession).

RogueUSMC wrote:

treadlightly wrote:I was pleasantly surprised to see Kory Watkins so well behaved, but then he compared his Glock, subject to licensed carry, to his AK47, which he said he carried all over the place with a full magazine and a round in the chamber.

Pardon me for being a prude, but I would never carry any weapon, rifle or pistol, with or without a safety, with a round in the chamber unless the gun was holstered with the trigger fully shrouded. An AK on a sling with a round in the chamber while contra dancing the aisles at Home Depot? No thanks. A properly holstered pistol with a protected trigger and a chambered round? Sure. No reason not to.

Up to the point he mentioned his hot AK, I thought he was almost reasonable.

All my guns are hot...not that I carry my rifles in walmart but...if I WERE to carry my AR in the walmart, the chamber WOULD be occupied. Not a fan of Kory Watkins. One reason being that he says things that should be left unsaid. What he said served no point in regards tp chambered or not chambered. The law does not, in any way, differentiate a loaded gun from an unloaded one...irrelevant to the discussion...

Flightmare wrote:

AndyC wrote:And there IS no right to feel safe.

I was going over my copy of the US Constitution and could not find that in there.

Pawpaw wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:

Flightmare wrote:My interpretation is that 30.08 signs will be added to restrict unlicensed carry.

You are correct if what I was sent is accurate, which seems to be supported by the Press Release. The language used in what I was sent is

"Pursuant to Section 30.08, Penal Code (trespass by person not licensed to carry handgun), a person who does not hold a license to carry a handgun may not enter this property with a handgun"

So if this passes, and a business with both a 30.06 and 30.07 sign doesn't put up the new 30.08 signs, only unlicensed people will be able to carry there.

If a new section 30.08 is included in a committee substitute, this is correct.

Chas.

I wonder if we could get a requirement for a 30.08 sign for unlicensed concealed carry & a 30.09 sign for unlicensed open carry?

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote: I sure hope this doesn't mean that 30.06 / 30.07 signs will only restrict carry for LTC holders and not for those without an LTC. I assume I am reading this part incorrectly....

This is exactly the case and it must be so. We cannot allow a law that would force property owners to either allow entry of everyone with a gun or prohibit entry by anyone with a gun. They must have the flexibility to allow licensed carry while prohibiting unlicensed carry.

Chas.

HB1911 seeks to bring handgun carry in line with long gun carry and restore Texas Citizens

right to carry a handgun without a license.

• HB1911 does not expand who can carry, only where they can carry. Millions of

unlicensed Texans carry handguns lawfully in their vehicle every day. We are only

expanding where they can carry.

• Must meet eligibility requirements in 411.172(a)(2)-(10), Government Code in HB1911

in order to carry unlicensed. This brings licensed and unlicensed carry on even footing

without having extra eligibility burdens on citizens to exercise their right to carry a

handgun just like they can carry a long gun today.

• 30.05 is amended to include exemption for lawful unlicensed carry of a handgun.

• 30.08 addition will empower businesses to choose who they let carry on their property.

• 30.06 and 30.07 are maintained for license holders.

• TABC “blue” signs are eliminated while maintaining the restriction of carrying into 51%

establishments.

• Unlicensed carriers will be able to carry everywhere licensed holders can except for

college campuses. Citizens will still need and license to carry (LTC) to conceal carry on

college campuses.

• Confirms State Preemption to unlicensed carry of handguns.

• Extends accidental carry at airport security to unlicensed carriers.

• Licensing is maintained as optional.

• HB1911 puts a protection in place for license holders to be able to petition a court to keep

their license. If he only reason someone has their license to carry suspended or denied is

that are charged only with a crime and not convicted, they can petition a judge. A judge

will look at the totality of the circumstances and render his decision based on that as to

whether a person can carry with a license until a ruling is made on their charges. This is

due process and has been lacking far to long for Texans.