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by Soccerdad1995
Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:20 pm
Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Reciprocity and signage if 375/1911 passes???
Replies: 8
Views: 2352

Re: Reciprocity and signage if 375/1911 passes???

Ruark wrote:
TrueFlog wrote:According to the press release for HB1911, a new sign called 30.08 would be created to prevent carry by unlicensed persons. This sign would apply to unlicensed open carry and concealed carry, but would not apply to persons with an LTC.
A couple of things jump out at me from this:

- So businesses wanting to keep guns out would need yet ANOTHER big sign. That's going to go over with them like a lead balloon (and hey, maybe that's a good thing!). I've seen many entrances that don't even HAVE a place to put a third pair of signs. I say "pair" because presumably they'd need one in English and one in Spanish. So instead of 4, they'd have 6. It could get to the point of being unreasonable for someone entering the building to have to stop and stand there and read all those signs.

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This sign would apply to unlicensed open carry and concealed carry
So businesses preferring to prohibit unlicensed open carry, but are cool with unlicensed concealed carry, wouldn't have that option. They would have to either ban both or ban neither. I suspect most would choose the former.

I'm sure eventually somebody will propose a "solution": just a single sign that covers everything.

What a mess.
Any business owner can easily restrict unlicensed (and licensed) open carry with no signage at all. Just instruct all employees to say the following to anyone who is openly carrying:

"Excuse me, sir/madame. While we fully support and encourage your right to keep and bear arms, we also have some delusional and paranoid customers, and we are afraid that they may go on a deranged tirade if they see a gun. So could you please untuck your shirt a bit? Thank you so much."

Or words to that effect.
by Soccerdad1995
Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:19 pm
Forum: 2017 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Reciprocity and signage if 375/1911 passes???
Replies: 8
Views: 2352

Re: Reciprocity and signage if 375/1911 passes???

Ruark wrote:
TrueFlog wrote:According to the press release for HB1911, a new sign called 30.08 would be created to prevent carry by unlicensed persons. This sign would apply to unlicensed open carry and concealed carry, but would not apply to persons with an LTC.
A couple of things jump out at me from this:

- So businesses wanting to keep guns out would need yet ANOTHER big sign. That's going to go over with them like a lead balloon (and hey, maybe that's a good thing!). I've seen many entrances that don't even HAVE a place to put a third pair of signs. I say "pair" because presumably they'd need one in English and one in Spanish. So instead of 4, they'd have 6. It could get to the point of being unreasonable for someone entering the building to have to stop and stand there and read all those signs.

-
This sign would apply to unlicensed open carry and concealed carry
So businesses preferring to prohibit unlicensed open carry, but are cool with unlicensed concealed carry, wouldn't have that option. They would have to either ban both or ban neither. I suspect most would choose the former.

I'm sure eventually somebody will propose a "solution": just a single sign that covers everything.

What a mess.
Any business owner can easily restrict unlicensed (and licensed) open carry with no signage at all. Just instruct all employees to say the following to anyone who is openly carrying:

"Excuse me, sir/madame. While we fully support and encourage your right to keep and bear arms, we also have some delusional and paranoid customers, and we are afraid that they may go on a deranged tirade if they see a gun. So could you please untuck your shirt a bit? Thank you so much."

Or words to that effect.

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