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by Jusme
Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:53 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: This is why I will not own any Apple products!
Replies: 208
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Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

MeMelYup wrote:Wouldn't what the government is insisting that Apple do be detrimental to this?

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Hey now don't start using those old amendments to try to argue with what this POTUS wants to do. You know that was written a long time ago and our founding fathers didn't envision computers and encryption when they wrote it. :rules:
by Jusme
Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:05 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: This is why I will not own any Apple products!
Replies: 208
Views: 14487

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

WildBill wrote:Interesting news - Anti virus software developer, John McAfee has offered to hack the phone for free.

It sounds like a publicity stunt to me.

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mca ... ree-2016-2

http://nymag.com/following/2016/02/john ... phone.html

Publicity stunt or not, if the FBI refuses to even look into this as a possibility, then it will just re-affirm Apple's assertion that the FBI is looking for a tool to use again, and again, not just wanting to access the one phone.
by Jusme
Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:39 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: This is why I will not own any Apple products!
Replies: 208
Views: 14487

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Redneck_Buddha wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Redneck_Buddha wrote:Just throwing out wild theories here, but is there something they can develop that will only work with that phone's unique identifier? Guys who know just enough about these matters just to be dangerous want to know. :mrgreen:
That is what the writ ordered. :rules:

Gotcha...thanks. So Cook's contention that this hack will be used to propagate a mass breach security is false?

What will happen is that after the door is opened, then any judge can order Apple to do the same for any other phone it deems necessary. So yeah, the potential is there for this to become a common practice rendering the idea of security, worthless.
by Jusme
Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:49 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: This is why I will not own any Apple products!
Replies: 208
Views: 14487

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

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Bitter, we're almost on the same page. My impression is that the gov't is pressuring Apple to write a new version of iOS with a backdoor in it. THAT, I cannot support. But like I said above, if Apple is able to provide the information in this case that the gov't is looking for, without compromising the security (and privacy) of customer data, then they should cooperate. I'm not technically savvy enough to know if that is possible. I would assume that it is, but I don't know for sure. But like I said, if cooperation means giving gov't a back door into my data from now on, by rewriting iOS and then including the backdoor in the next update download, then no, I can't support that.[/quote]


:iagree:

You also have to think about Apple's position, if they did write the software to access any phone, who would buy another iphone, ipad, etc..This would completely destroy their company. This is just another attempt by this administration, to try to distract everyone from the egg on their face by saying "look, we are trying to do something but this evil corporate giant is defying us" While also continuing their policy of executive branch overreach.

Go Apple!!! :cheers2:
by Jusme
Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:32 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: This is why I will not own any Apple products!
Replies: 208
Views: 14487

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

The Annoyed Man wrote:Bitter, I have to respectfully disagree.....

I'm on my 3rd iPhone. I appreciate the privacy from the overreaching grasp of an out of control federal gov't which, particularly under the direction of a racist fascist like Obama, thinks it has no limits to its power over our lives. If that means that Apple has exclusive use of my data so that they can try to sell me stuff, well at least I'm being marketed to by a company which cares more about my 4th Amendment rights than does the government which is charged with protecting those rights.

If it is possible for Apple to cooperate with that investigation without revealing their encryption methods to gov't, then maybe they should cooperate. But if cooperation means revealing their encryption methods, thereby unlocking all iPhones to gov't intrusion at will, then the Obama administration can go fly a kite........EVEN if that means that some connection to other terrorists goes undiscovered.

"You'll be safer" as an excuse for giving NSA unprecedented access in all of history to the private data of loyal American citizens has turned out NOT to have prevented jihadist attacks in this country. The creation of the Department of Homeland Security and passage of the "Patriot" Act has made us LESS secure in our persons and affairs, while adding a HUGE bureaucracy with vast powers onto the backs of already overburdened taxpayers - a bureaucracy, which once created, will NEVER disappear from that burden. The last time I boarded a plane, I had to submit to having my privates jostled by a woman in uniform with an attitude.

If Apple can and will protect this lowly consumer's privacy from the intrusions of such a gov't, I applaud and thank them. Just look at what the pursuit of terrorism has done to both our liberties and our presumption of innocence even without criminal charges. We now live in an ages where we have to PROVE to gov't that our continued personal liberty is merited every single day by submitting to daily ongoing invasions of our privacy. Is THAT what generations of Americans fought and died for?

Those terrorists are dead. Good. Some of their associations have already been discovered. Good. I seriously doubt that giving THIS gov't access to the data of ALL Apple users will catch a single terrorist....... But it WILL diminish the Constitution that much more. TRUE Liberty is not without risk. I would rather assume that risk than surrender my Liberty. If others are more concerned about their risk than their liberty, then let them take steps individually to mitigate their risks (by carrying a gun, for instance). But the argument that ALL must surrender their liberty so that SOME can feel safe is bovine waste product, and it has done more to damage liberty in this country than almost any other influence.
Well said as usual TAM. I don't think the Federal government needs anymore access to our personal lives than they already have. Freedom is the difference between us and those who wish to destroy us. I am all for finding and rooting out evil wherever it exists, but I am not willing to give away my liberty to make it happen. I think this is a backhanded attempt to make make up for the embarrassment this administration faced when it was revealed that they did nothing to vet the female terrorist who walked right in with no one even taking a second glance.

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