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by Jusme
Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:05 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

nightmare69 wrote:Imageimage url upload

I'm reminded of the above toy hearing of a brief case gun. Yes it comical to me and it makes you happy carrying it then more power to you. Just be aware the police may let you take a ride and let the courts sort it all out of you are caught. Carrying a gun in that manner isn't common so it's hard to say what may or may not happen when dealing with the police.

I'm curious as to the charge you would use arrest someone for carrying a folding carbine?

There is no law against carrying a firearm in an "uncommon manner". It is not a prohibited weapon, under NSFA, in a briefcase or backpack would definitely not fall under "in a manner intended to threaten or intimidate", as a carbine rifle, it would not come close to qualifying as a handgun.
I doubt many LEO would simply put someone in jail, and not have a charge to apply before arraignment. That is called false arrest and would be much more of an issue for the LEO than the arrestee.
All of my arrest reports, required a charge to be entered on the form, before it was accepted at the county jail. But if that is the way you mete out criminal justice in your jurisdiction, I don't see a long future for you in law enforcement.
Perhaps you work near Abraham, and that is why he believes that is common practice. JMHO
by Jusme
Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:22 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

nightmare69 wrote:Also it's much easier to just become a reserve LEO and then 06/07 signs won't apply to you. I wouldn't go as far as carrying a concealed rifle in a briefcase unless I was Jason Bourne. It's comical really.


There are those on the left, who feel the same way about those of us who carry handguns. To each their own, if I had to make a choice, a folded rifle, in a case or backpack, would not be my first choice for self defense. The subject at hand, is when you would be prohibited from carrying a handgun, and it would be impractical, not to mention overly attention provoking to carry a normal long gun, why not carry a folded rifle in a case? I fully understand that you would not likely be able to get the drop on someone who suddenly appeared with a drawn gun, but every scenario is different, and with a few seconds lead time, one could deploy it fairly rapidly. JMHO
by Jusme
Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

Abraham wrote:TAM,

I posted: "Am I the only one to think if one is discovered by a LE officer (unlikely, but certainly not impossible) with a sub2K (or something similar) in a 30.06 posted location one might be taking "The Ride"?"

"Unlikely, but certainly not impossible" is of course what I hoped would also be noticed.

Murphy's law has a way of making events that seem impossible or close to it, possible...

That being said, I'm interested in knowing the opinions/possible outcome of what is likely to transpire "if" one is discovered by LE to be concealed carrying a Sub2k or similar rifle in a 30.06 posted location?

Nothing?

Have the Sub2K seized with a giant hassle getting it returned?

Be escorted out of the building with no further ramification.

Take the ride?

Or...?

Why do I ask?

Because I'm considering doing what you and some others are doing if I buy a Sub2k i.e., taking it with me in a computer bag/briefcase into 30.06 locations - but only if I know in advance what will happen (chances are remote, but again, not impossible) if I'm discovered with a firearm in a 30.06 posted location. (yes, a Sukb2000 is not a handgun, but is a firearm)




The ill informed or overzealous LE officer may not take my possession of a concealed firearm in a 30.06 location very kindly or act within the law. He doesn't know me. I could be a lone nut case out to do harm...

With a lawyer, much expense and time, I'll probably be exonerated, but is that something I want to face if things go south?

You think the chance of being discovered concealed carrying a rifle in a 30.06 location is very close to nil, but I have to think you aren't 100% certain absolutely nothing negative would happen to you if the long arm of the law were to discover Mr. Harmless Grandpa is packing heat...yes, it's a rifle, not a handgun, but it may also create major hassle if discovered.

Jusme,

Just as 30.06 locations are being posted with signs at inappropriate governmental locations while these governmental employees simultaneously thumb their nose at our AG, so too can there be overzealous LE officers taking inappropriate measures.

One of the major considerations I see with you and TAM is the thinking that says no LE officer would have reason to check your bag. OK, why would it be a concern if they did? Why bother considering if it's of no consequence?

Because the trouble you can't get in, you're concealed carrying a rifle, not a handgun, may just occur...

You are correct Abraham, there are no 100% guarantees in life. My responses are based, mainly, on my experiences as a LEO. I realize, because I had the misfortune to work with a few, that not all LEO, are fully versed on all of the laws, and have at times attempted to misapply laws when it was not applicable. I also recognize that there are those in uniform who believe that they have the ultimate power when it comes to search and seizure statutes, but, those are a possibility anywhere. Just like the story posted by a member regarding a LEO disarming him at a liquor store because he "thought" it was against the law.

My point is that the chances of being searched, having a false charge leveled against you, and being arrested, because of a concealed rifle, are no more likely than it would be if you were "discovered" carrying a handgun in a non-prohibited location, and facing the same plight.JMHO
by Jusme
Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:03 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

I agree with TAM, suddenly being searched by the police is not a common occurrence. nearly everyone these days carries backpacks, laptop cases, etc.
If there is nothing suspicious about a person, even in a place posted 30.06, and they are doing nothing to draw undue attention to themselves, I wouldn't think it would be a concern. As far as "taking the ride" they would have to find a legitimate charge for doing so. Since 30.06 only applies to the licensed carry of handguns, a rifle does not violate that statute. The police can't arrest someone because they are "angry" there has to be a violation that they can document.

I'm sure there are several people who carry a similar firearm to TAM's who walk the streets everyday, go into places posted 30.06, and mind their own business, and I have never heard of anyone being arrested for doing so. JMHO.
by Jusme
Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:30 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

The Annoyed Man wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote: You have to actually see and handle the MI optic mount. It is as stable as mounting to a polymer forearm will allow it to be. If you attach a metal section of rail to the side of the polymer forend, the optic is still ultimately attached to a polymer forend, and whatever flex is inherent in the polymer forend is still going to affect your accuracy.
Seems that company recognizes the issue with the polymer forearm and has this stabilizer available:
http://www.performanceservicesmachining ... tabilizer/

I agree the Sub2K is a fun firearm. Whenever I take it out to the range someone usually comments about liking it.
I just bought $145 worth of upgrade parts from them, including that item.

TAM,
I think it is time to have an intervention, if for no other reason, than the terrible influence you are having on other forum members. Maybe we can do a two for one scenario for you and AndyC.
The two of you have attempted to spread your addiction to us all, and it is no doubt causing marital issues, for other members. Not only are you causing us to get the buying bug for firearms, but then the additional costs for the accessories.

First off, we want you to know we love you........


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by Jusme
Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:59 pm
Forum: Commercial Vendor Bargains and Deal
Topic: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle
Replies: 130
Views: 7421

Re: Sub2k Sub2000 folding concealed rifle

The Annoyed Man wrote:Oh boy, you guys......I took mine to Elm Fork for its baptism of fire today, and I had about as much fun as I've had with pants on in a real long time! The Sub-2000 in 9mm is an absolute hoot to shoot. I haven't done anything yet to customize mine, and I shot it with the provided iron sights rather than an optic, at a range of 25 yards. Ammo was WWB 115 grain FMJ.

My only "complaint" would be that, as delivered, the sights put the point of impact approximately 2"-3" left of center, and it required a fair amount of turns on the windage screw to shift the point of impact enough horizontally to the right to center the groups. I'm not too worried about that, as it now shoots fine for what it is, and I have a Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot sight and a Midwest Industries MI Gen2 SUB 2000 T1/T2 Optic Mount on order, and that will be my primary means of aiming this gun. Sights aside, the Sub-2000 is certainly a "minute of man" gun, perhaps as far as 100 yards........ if you can get your target to hold still for you. :mrgreen: But certainly it is very usable out to 50-75 yards.

Other than that, it ran like a champ. I shot 100 rounds without a single malfunction. I am REALLY happy with this little gun.

Sounds like fun, I'm interested in finding one that accepts the M&P mags. It may have to wait a,while until my disposable income recovers from Christmas. Maybe by then the prices will be a little lower.

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