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by Jusme
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:06 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: California bar shooting leaves 12 dead
Replies: 60
Views: 4146

Re: California bar shooting leaves 12 dead

Rob72 wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:52 am
rotor wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:21 pm
I really don't understand the logic behind the no guns in a bar situation. If you have a LTC and are trusted to not drink and carry why would you not be trusted to go into a bar with friends and have a non-alcoholic beverage or be in a restaurant-bar situation for a nice meal? After all, if you were going to use alcohol you could use it any time anyway. Can LEO go into a bar and not drink? Of course logic and legislation don't always go together and to be honest, I am a non-drinker but I would go to a bar with friends and carry if I could without using alcohol. Same for concealed carry at a voting booth. Why would a LTC carrier all of a sudden be a danger at a voting booth? How many people ever get to be near an execution?
The Rule of Stupids: Avoid Stupid People, meeting in Stupid Places, doing Stupid Things. Bars inherently have all of those components. A, "trusted friend," may yell, "Back off! My buddy's got a GUN!", with a couple or three under his belt. The aggressor may decide to prove he can handle the guy with a gun, under some liquid courage. Bars, polls, governmental offices, schools, etc., etc., are all places where emotions run very high, at times. Bear in mind that in all but the wildest communities, throughout history, weapons have generally been disallowed at those locations. ;-)

If we disallow carry everywhere, emotions, have run high, in the past, we will never allow carry anywhere. Emotions run high, in homes, at work, at bus stops, in banks, parking lots, grocery stores, basically, anywhere, people go, there have been emotional outbursts, sometimes becoming violent. I carry everywhere, I legally can, so that I can protect me and mine, from those who are not in control of their emotions. Disallowing carry, for fear, that someone, may lose control, is exactly, the reason the left, has chipped away at our rights. Every time someone loses control, the left wants to blame everything, besides, the person responsible. They want to blame the gun, the location, the alcohol, the trauma, the criminal experienced, news stories, ideology, lunar cycles, evil spirits, or anything else they can concoct.
by Jusme
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:41 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: California bar shooting leaves 12 dead
Replies: 60
Views: 4146

Re: California bar shooting leaves 12 dead

Rob72 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:14 am
philip964 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Shooters name and photo in his Marine uniform are everywhere. Let’s be sure to give him all the fame he desired in his death.

I strongly disagree with this.

The only way any "Major Criminal" should be referred to is by some demeaning pejorative. Do not mention his rank, or any (unlikely) awards he may have received. Minimize, marginalize, and dehumanize these offenders, and they cease to be heroes and sources of inspiration.

E.g., "Discharged from the Marines as, "unsuitable and unfit for the service", or, "after an unremarkable and uninspiring time in service." He lived a meaningless, aimless existence for several years. His life was more an absence than a presence, even for those closest to him. This pathetic man, attempting to achieve some measure of glory in a profoundly misdirected Walter Mitty-esque explosion of outwardly directed self-hate, is dead. The world is a better place for his absence."

No mention, EVER, of his name, family, background.
Rob72 wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:14 am
philip964 wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Shooters name and photo in his Marine uniform are everywhere. Let’s be sure to give him all the fame he desired in his death.

I strongly disagree with this.

The only way any "Major Criminal" should be referred to is by some demeaning pejorative. Do not mention his rank, or any (unlikely) awards he may have received. Minimize, marginalize, and dehumanize these offenders, and they cease to be heroes and sources of inspiration.

E.g., "Discharged from the Marines as, "unsuitable and unfit for the service", or, "after an unremarkable and uninspiring time in service." He lived a meaningless, aimless existence for several years. His life was more an absence than a presence, even for those closest to him. This pathetic man, attempting to achieve some measure of glory in a profoundly misdirected Walter Mitty-esque explosion of outwardly directed self-hate, is dead. The world is a better place for his absence."

No mention, EVER, of his name, family, background.
I believe philip964, was making a sarcastic comment. One thing that has shown to cause copycat, shootings, have to do with the attention, these people get, after their crime.
Others, who feel disenfranchised, believe the only way to get attention, is to commit these type of crimes.
I agree, plastering, this guy's, photo all over the news, should not happen. The only ones who deserve to be remembered are the victims. JMHO

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