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by bblhd672
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:17 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Secession?
Replies: 29
Views: 5496

Re: Secession?

Soccerdad1995 wrote: There may not be a constitutionally protected right to secede, but there is definitely a right to do so. As so eloquently stated in the Declaration of Independence. That right is endowed by our creator and it trumps any "rights" acknowledged by a government.
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WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
by bblhd672
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Secession?
Replies: 29
Views: 5496

Re: Secession?

Lynyrd wrote:
Grundy1133 wrote:Texas would be allowed to secede per the treaty that was signed.
I don't know where you got that Texas retained the right to secede per the treaty. I do not believe that to be true. The only unusual thing granted was the ability to subdivide into more states, but not greater than 5, in order to gain more senators.

http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/annex.htm

http://thetexasrepublic.com/history-of- ... agreement/
In the book I linked about, that's exactly what Texas does, breaks into 5 different states of Texas. Can you imagine the progressive socialists heads exploding if that were to happen?
by bblhd672
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:19 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Secession?
Replies: 29
Views: 5496

Re: Secession?

Scott Farkus wrote:
Grundy1133 wrote:I read an article abou tNorth Carolina introducing a bill that would allow them to secede from the US should the federal govt attempt to disarm their citizens of firearms that have been legally purchased... It made me wonder if other states would do the same thing... If they try to get rid of the 2nd amendment, Texas would be allowed to secede per the treaty that was signed. One requirement in the treaty was that the constitution was to be upheld... If the govt fails to do so, do you think Texas would secede, or if one state seceded do you think others would follow suit and we end up with a 2nd civil war?
If a triggering event occurred that was sufficient to cause one state to secede, I think others would follow suit. What that event is, I don't know exactly but I could see it being some level of federal infringement on gun rights without a formal repeal of the 2nd Amendment. Depending on how this Masterpiece Bakery ruling goes, some really bad things could spiral out of control from that. And of course, the relentless federal spending and meddling almost has to reach a breaking point at some point.

imho, we are closer to a civil war than most of us want to admit.
Tipping Point: A Tale of the 2nd Civil War
When a mass-shooting prompts a call for the repeal of the 2nd amendment, a handful of states secede and provoke the Second U.S. Civil War.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0793 ... UTF8&psc=1
by bblhd672
Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:53 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Secession?
Replies: 29
Views: 5496

Re: Secession?

J.R.@A&M wrote:And Texas grain, beef, cotton, etc., would continue to be exported, although farmers would have harder time financing crop production without federal farm programs. Overall, I would think the rural parts of the State would suffer more from having fewer economic development resources.
And that’s why there will never be change, people want less government unless it negatively impacts their favorite redistribution program.
[sarcasm]Why we just can’t live without big.gov holding our hands and guaranteeing our results. [\sarcasm]
We’ll all ride the ship to the bottom cause no one thinks that iceberg has fatally wounded the hull.

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