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by Keith B
Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:15 pm
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
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Re: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

locke_n_load wrote:So if the vehicle is being broken into, I would think that a reasonable person would believe that theft (at night time) is going on here.
If not, isn't the vehicle getting damaged via break-in, in which criminal mischief at night time would apply? How would it not apply? I see nothing about the classification of the crime (misdemeanor, felony, etc.) anywhere in the justification for deadly force in those instances. Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get a better understanding of the law.
As I said, we will have to wait to see how the prosecutor and/or grand jury handle it. I agree that it could be assumed they were trying to steal it. It could also meet the damage to tangible property for criminal mischief. HOWEVER, many don't look at the bottom of 9.42 where it says:
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
It will hinge on statements of the homeowner, and possibly of the guy that ran off (if they find him) as to determination of justification. There are a lot of cards at play during a homicide investigation, and all the cards have to stack up to make a hand to try and determine if you play your hand, bluff or fold.
by Keith B
Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:23 am
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
Views: 11461

Re: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

OldCurlyWolf wrote: Keith,
You know that any homicide justified by law or not has to go before a Grand Jury in Texas It has been black letter law for at least 40 years that I can remember. Probably much longer than that. :evil2:
While it may be SOP, it's not law. See this discussion http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=55791
by Keith B
Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:20 pm
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
Views: 11461

Re: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

crazy2medic wrote:Criminal mischief after dark!
Possible. They would be damaging tangible property (vehicle) at night of the homeowner. http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/ ... 28-03.html

Again, it's going to depend on the prosecutor. He may actually send it to a Grand Jury to let them decide.
by Keith B
Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
Views: 11461

Re: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

tbrown wrote:I thought that was SOP for homicides but maybe things are different in Tarrant County.
It is, but again, the police may not charge him but let the prosecutor make the call to if there was actually a law broken. Again, it will depend on how the prosecutor looks at Penal Code 30 and 9 to determine if it met the statute and was justified.
by Keith B
Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:51 pm
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
Views: 11461

Re: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

tbrown wrote:
It happened Sunday around 3:00 a.m.
Police said no one will be charged in the shooting.
Police said no one will be charged in the shooting. But the case is being referred to the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office.

Burglary of an unoccupied motor vehicle is usually treated differently than actual theft or burglary of a habitation. For theft, there has to be intent shown that the reason they were breaking into the vehicle was to steal it or something in it. And burglary in the penal code is defined only for a habitation or building, not a vehicle (separate section). So, while nighttime does play into it, the guy was not necessarily committing one of the offense listed in penal code 9 for justification of use of deadly force.

So, will be interesting to see how the prosecutor handles this one.
by Keith B
Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:16 pm
Forum: Self-Defense Reports
Topic: Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar
Replies: 44
Views: 11461

Arlington Homeowner Shoots Car Burglar

This one may be problematic for the homeowner. Burglary of an unoccupied motor vehicle is only a Class A misdemeanor unless the person has been convicted two or more times of the offence.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Teen-S ... 32743.html

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