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NotRPB wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:32 pm

Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:47 am Again, does a circle/slash with a pistol imply notice given to JUST unlicensed? or are you suggesting that it applies to licensed and unlicensed? Without the "identical or substantially similar language", it is vague and arguably impossible to discern the difference. Hence the specific language requirement in HB 1927.

Most of those you describe I interpret to mean to inform UNLICENSED people that Taurus & Berretta PT 92 PT 99 type 9mm models are prohibited
possibly the Taurus & Beretta .380 acp models which resemble those models too.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:30 pm

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:21 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 pm

cyphertext wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:48 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:13 am
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You miss the point. I don't care what the "intent" of a sign is, even for a sole proprietorship. The CEO of a company has only the legal authority granted to him by the owners (shareholders). Directing that a sticker be placed on a publicly open retail location in Texas tells me nothing more than what the CEO or his agents think about guns. And I don't care. If they want to legally block me they may post 30.05/6/7 compliant signs, and even then they can't, because I am a volunteer emergency responder. A visitor owes no legal duty to determine the wishes of the owner(s) absent proper legal notice, nor to comply with them. I don't want Democrats in my stores, but 30.05 doesn't (arguably) allow me to put up a circle slash donkey sign and have police arrest Democrats entering for a class B.

I think you are missing my point. The CEO or owner who says to post a legally compliant sign is the same person who has the authority to post a gun buster sign. I get that the law states the specifications of a 30.05 sign. Not arguing that. It is my OPINION that it is overkill, that a gun buster sign or a no guns allowed sign should suffice, but my opinion is not what the law states. Really seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill because the only folks that this is going to affect is those who open carry anyway.

I agree mostly. Any random store manager can post a legally compliant or deficient sign. Or the CEO can tell them all to do it. My point is that the posting of sticker or even a compliant sign tells me nothing of the wishes of the owner(s). I own (part of) Exxon and I want everyone to carry. More importantly, I don't care what the owners are signaling with their sticker. For all I know they could not want anyone licensed or not, or even cops carrying in their stores. Legally it doesn't matter, they can't do anything about it (using the force of State law), and therefore I will carry (concealed) and unless someone approaches me and askes me to leave, I will go about my business...legally.

Wait... What ?? Are you saying that you walk past 30.06 signs while still carrying ? And if so actually believe that you are doing so legally because you don't think that was the owners intent?

No, I'm saying I walk past notifications that are not legally applicable to me, like a sticker with a circle slash Beretta silhouette, or a 30.05 sign, which doesn't apply to me since I have a LTC.

I also walk past 30.06 signs that are posted improperly on government owned or leased property.

I am also saying that I don't care what the owner's "intent" is, I care if they posted a sign that is legally applicable to me.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 pm

cyphertext wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:48 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:13 am
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You miss the point. I don't care what the "intent" of a sign is, even for a sole proprietorship. The CEO of a company has only the legal authority granted to him by the owners (shareholders). Directing that a sticker be placed on a publicly open retail location in Texas tells me nothing more than what the CEO or his agents think about guns. And I don't care. If they want to legally block me they may post 30.05/6/7 compliant signs, and even then they can't, because I am a volunteer emergency responder. A visitor owes no legal duty to determine the wishes of the owner(s) absent proper legal notice, nor to comply with them. I don't want Democrats in my stores, but 30.05 doesn't (arguably) allow me to put up a circle slash donkey sign and have police arrest Democrats entering for a class B.

I think you are missing my point. The CEO or owner who says to post a legally compliant sign is the same person who has the authority to post a gun buster sign. I get that the law states the specifications of a 30.05 sign. Not arguing that. It is my OPINION that it is overkill, that a gun buster sign or a no guns allowed sign should suffice, but my opinion is not what the law states. Really seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill because the only folks that this is going to affect is those who open carry anyway.

I agree mostly. Any random store manager can post a legally compliant or deficient sign. Or the CEO can tell them all to do it. My point is that the posting of sticker or even a compliant sign tells me nothing of the wishes of the owner(s). I own (part of) Exxon and I want everyone to carry. More importantly, I don't care what the owners are signaling with their sticker. For all I know they could not want anyone licensed or not, or even cops carrying in their stores. Legally it doesn't matter, they can't do anything about it (using the force of State law), and therefore I will carry (concealed) and unless someone approaches me and askes me to leave, I will go about my business...legally.

philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:23 pm

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:57 pm

tomneal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:37 pm Dumb question but...

What about all the TABC Signs? Going into the local 7-11, that sells beer, it says that it's a felony to carry unlicensed
Do those signs need to come down?

What about the 51% signs?

TABC blue are no longer valid, only 51% now. 30.05 and gun buster signs are valid for unlicensed carry only. LTC still adhere to 51%, 30.06 and 30.07

This I think is all LTC need to know about this, right?

Or if personally asked to leave.

tomneal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:37 pm Dumb question but...

What about all the TABC Signs? Going into the local 7-11, that sells beer, it says that it's a felony to carry unlicensed
Do those signs need to come down?

What about the 51% signs?