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Bitter Clinger wrote:

Finally, a glock that doesn't need an Apex trigger!

MaduroBU wrote:If your carry gun is not drop safe, then why are you carrying it? Why do you even own it?

I have seen what a .44 magnum hollow point can do to an arm (nearly killed the victim from blood loss and nearly cost the arm). I won't own or knowingly be around a non drop safe gun after that. It was an old revolver with the firing pin forged into the hammer that was dropped.

There are very few ways that a gun can be dangerous without deliberate malfeasance or blatant disregard for safety. The failure to be drop safe is one of those ways.

Carrying an old style revolver with one under the hammer is not safe and is not how they were intended to be carried.

It's hard to be 100% drop safe... there is a reason drop test protocols are constantly changing. As Sig learned, just because you pass the protocols, doesn't mean it's going to survive every possible angle/speed/ etc.

I'm going to take this a step further than you did, but only to illustrate the slippery slope...

As for ownership- your choice is yours but please don't publicly question people that own guns that may be pre drop testing... could be antiques, family heirlooms, historical, etc. Saying people shouldn't own a particular type of gun sounds very left. (think AR's, SBR's, suppressed, hi cap mags, etc) Heck, muskets weren't even drop safe and that's all they think we should have... don't help em' figure a way around those too!

The reality (statistically) is that you have better chance of ND, even if you are a safety nut, than you do getting hurt by a dropped gun. Odds so slim, that if that's are your reason, you might avoid carrying because "something" could happen, eventually.

Hoping the tone of this post reads as it was intended. (as a respectful discussion)

RPBrown wrote:I follow the 21' rule:
By the time you recognize a threat, draw your weapon, aim, and fire 2 rounds, an assailant can cover 21'. throw in a couple of seconds to rack the slide and you are probably already being attacked.

Therefore I carry cocked and locked no matter which gun I have.

Agreed ^^

The reality is that the 21' rule is for a fairly well trained person, already paying attention to a threat. Last time I was at a class, at least 2/3 of the class would have died inside 30'... and that was without having to rack the slide.

Carrying a loaded gun still only addresses a certain number of possible defense scenarios... If you then carry on an empty chamber, you'll have to accept that there is going to be a lot of those scenarios you can't even defend against, due to needing extra time and 2 hands.

For those reasons, I always have a round in the chamber, regardless of whether or not my gun has a manual safety.