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by flechero
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:40 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

:iagree:

But sadly, they view it simpler to just ban guns than fix society. (even though banning won't do what they want.)
“It is now clear that the warning signs were there and tips to the FBI were missed,”
I wish that they would stop saying missed. The FBI didn't miss it- they chose to disregard it... as they were told more than once.
by flechero
Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

TheFriscoKid wrote:
After a night to think about it, I still agree that you're response and commitment are commendable. At the same time though I began to think about some of the other issues. While a solution like yours makes school shootings less likely or less damaging, several new issues come to mind.

Nothing is perfect. If I could solve the issue 100% I'd be president. :lol: (God help us!) However, I think if you asked a million people, you'd get a million responses that favor less school shootings, and fewer fatalities per incident. If the best we ever did was reduce the number of incidents and carnage of each- we'd be way ahead of where we are today!!

As noted in another thread - advocates and volunteers come from across the spectrum. Can enough high proficiency volunteers be found and in lacking that ability will we be willing to let in less than 100% qualified individuals to do these tasks?

There are specific training programs (school focused and public access active shooter focused for CHL's) available for exactly this scenario. LEO training is not nearly as high as most people think. Yes, swat and some other smaller elements are trained better but the average LEO who would be the first responder to the school is not. Research the Police Academy training and I think you'll find it is not too difficult to have that level on site. Plus, until something goes very wrong it can't be proven that this won't work. (and it's already going very wrong so at least, we add a fighting chance to the mix.)

Appx 100,000 schools in the US. 4-5 guards per shift - 1 shift per week, night activities - games etc 2-3 a week ends up being 40 per school to cover most well attended 'events' - that's 4 million volunteers and when we start looking at lost GDP and/or costs - it's not a realistic plan.

Well, let's start with 1 (or 2) at each school and build from there. (some coverage beats the heck out of none) We can eliminate a lot of budget waste but can't perfect the system from day one. Some mix of paid and volunteer... each school will have it's own unique situation. My son's school for instance would have no trouble getting 6-8 volunteers. Some would have none.

Besides it only covers one aspect of the problem. We still have mentally ill with weapons and many other target rich environments - malls, churches, political rallies, sporting events, colleges, unis and trade schools aren't in that number.

So, we should give up on everything because we might miss one element??????? :shock: Surely you don't mean that!?!?

Our Church is covered (as are many), malls are not all posted, many colleges have campus carry, trade schools can also be either. This discussion is about minor children in school... adult students can decide for themselves where to go and whether or not to carry.


This also does nothing to stop suicides, and domestic violence and other gun events precipitated by 'mental health decline'.

None of those issues are the subject of this debate. And to be brutally honest (as callous as it may sound) I don't care about someone committing suicide (whether ill or not) as long as they don't take my kid with them! People who have skills and training in mental health can work on that side of the equation- I'm only looking to address the side I can help with.

Again, if we don't start somewhere, nothing will ever change. These mass murderers usually off themselves at the first sign of resistance... so far we have offered them little to no incentive. I'm suggesting that we have to get off of our collective backsides and face the problem, literally.

We will never be able to tweak and perfect a system of response if we don't first put something in place and get started.

Will we make mistakes- YES. Will those mistakes result in more deaths than keeping our heads in the sand- no. If 1 or 2 innocents get shot while taking down an active shooter- that still beats another 10, 20 or ?? while letting them go until running out of ammo. And yes, I take that statement seriously, knowing me or my own child could be one of them. We live in tough times.

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by flechero
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:07 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

Chemist45 wrote:Flechero,
I agree with most of what you said with the exception of paying more money for additional school protection.
I already pay far to much in taxes for a really bad education system.
How about this instead: We take a few of the non-core positions that have proliferated in our schools and trade them for armed guards and armed teacher training.
I'm talking about a few of the, far too many, administrators that now outnumber teachers in school districts.
Or maybe the school's "Diversity director" or "Self esteem coordinator".
I think it is far more important that our kids be safe while learning the three Rs than it is to learn about:
Global warming, Ump-teen genders, same sex marriage, or social responsibility.
I also think it is more important than a free breakfast, a free lunch or "Summer feeding".
I keep getting told that kids can't learn when they're hungry - well they can't learn when they are afraid either.
:thumbs2: :iagree:

I'm even worse off- I pay very high (highest in this region) school taxes and the school we are districted for is SOOOOO BAD that we elected to put my son in a pvt Christian school. So we're paying close to $15k in school taxes and tuition for a 3rd grader. :mad5

I'm with you 100% on replacing some [unneeded] positions and replacing them with armed staff.... my point was that even with being ripped off currently, I'd still be wiling to pay more, if it meant armed staff - in any capacity because for me, it really is about the kid(s).
by flechero
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

NNT wrote: My church today talked to some of us and reminded us they don't consider carry guns in the building appropriate, but falling far short of banning us. I struggle with that one. For now I choose to respect the request. I am not sure I alway will.
Sorry to hear that... it would have been my last day there. It's a non-negotiable item for me.
by flechero
Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

TheFriscoKid wrote:

Sorry for the long winded response.
:tiphat:
It's a good response. I am here to learn from others.
Glad to hear that. and I hope my post didn't come across as personal towards you because it wasn't meant specifically to you. I wrote "you" at one point and should have put "they." I've edited that.
by flechero
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I want to keep my guns.
Replies: 139
Views: 8221

Re: I want to keep my guns.

TheFriscoKid wrote: I am starting to see that if we don't make some compromises of our choosing we will find ourselves compromised in ways we don't want and wouldn't choose.
Yes, they have been crying for common sense gun control for years.

I already submit to background checks
I already have my fingerprints on file
I already pay to be registered and regulated
I already know the justice system is broken
I already know NICS is flawed
I already know you can't make people follow the law by adding additional laws
I already know that the FBI messed up
I already know that the local sheriff's office was called 20 times on that kid.
I already know he telegraphed his plan many times over and
I already know he was reported to law enforcement dozens of time
I already know he had been expelled from the school

all of this and yet they still think I need to [willingly] further compromise my rights and freedoms???? :banghead:

Lets enforce what's on the book and lets actually do something when people that "see something, say something" instead of just saying gun owners and law abiding folks need to keep bending further.



Here is what I'm fully willing to do.... and do happily:

I'm willing to pay more taxes to put LEO's in every school
I'm willing to personally share the cost to train school employees to carry and be able to intervene
I'm willing to volunteer and take a shift 1 day a week (off work) to be a trained and armed good guy at my kid's school
I'm willing to take additional training(at my own expense) beyond what our LEO's have, so that I am well prepared to defend our schools
I'm willing to help pay to secure/convert the school into a controlled access facility (although that's not a very complete solution)
I'm willing to get involved- with my time and money to whatever extent I can, to help protect all of our children in the school environment.

Now, what are the democrats willing to do????? All I see them doing is trying to organize to take my rights and property [guns] away, while further reducing the actual safety and security of the schools and public at large in any GFZ.

No more compromising. (at least until I can carry my single stack low capacity CC into my son's school and continue to carry when I'm on vacation, whether in TX, CA or DC.)

Sorry for the long winded response.
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