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Rob72 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:32 am

flechero wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:49 pm

Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:35 pm Emerson pulled out his 17, cleared the chamber, inserted a loaded mag, and hurled it at a pile of rocks in a gorge. They all went down to retrieve his pistol. Everyone eared up, and Emerson emptied the mag into the hillside. He asked who would replicate the demo with the 1911s on hand. Dead silence, then laughter.

All that to say, some platforms are demonstrably more tolerant of abuse than others.

They were laughing at him, not with him. No one in attendance had a cheap gun, except the idiot that threw his. And the reality is that if it had hit right, it could have easily been rendered useless.

Not so much. It was the start of a longstanding relationship.
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One has nothing to do with the other, unless he threw it off the cliff as well... Have you never had a laugh at a friend before? Or been the butt end of friendly laughter?

Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:26 pm Not gonna fight with you bro. Wilson, Brown, etc., command a high price because they are the Ferraris of the firearms world. A Glock with a grand of mods is pretty self-defining as more inherently fragile than the base platform. A stock RIA or Springfield will be more tolerant of being dropped in the mud in the driveway, and coming up ready to fire, simply because of the looser tolerances than a custom 1911.

With regard to traumatic drops, the thumb safety, hammer hooks and sear of the 1911 are demonstrably more fragile than the flexible poly frame, and simpler firing group linkage in a Glock.

I think your customized glock analogy is correct.... but the original comparison was a stock, unloaded glock thrown vs some [presumably] higher end 1911's. Going apples to apples, with an unchambered gun (thus hammer down on empty) I bet the old original spec wartime 1911's would have shot after being thrown. In fact the stories of some of the old guns are quite remarkable.

And for the record, I wouldn't throw any gun of mine at a rockpile, down a gorge... regardless of make, material or legend.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 am Sounds like you were there? Did you grab a picture with your film camera? Perhaps you could fax that to us?

I searched high and low for a pic of Cooper and Emerson, just for comedic relief, but couldn't find one!

Rob72 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:35 pm Emerson pulled out his 17, cleared the chamber, inserted a loaded mag, and hurled it at a pile of rocks in a gorge. They all went down to retrieve his pistol. Everyone eared up, and Emerson emptied the mag into the hillside. He asked who would replicate the demo with the 1911s on hand. Dead silence, then laughter.

All that to say, some platforms are demonstrably more tolerant of abuse than others.

They were laughing at him, not with him. No one in attendance had a cheap gun, except the idiot that threw his. And the reality is that if it had hit right, it could have easily been rendered useless.

I'm with TAM, the whining is jr high and taken way out of context.

It's like people are offended because they think dropping an empty slide should be OK just because they didn't know it was not. The video comments began in reference to the 2.5lb trigger job on a supergrade (not a combat gun) and how repeatedly dropping the slide empty can damage the sear/hammer hook surfaces and cause follow. They then took it further and explained how it can damage any gun, including your favorite plastic ones.

suthdj wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 9:22 am What I learned was don't buy a Wilson it cant take being man handled. It's funny how a firearm named Wilson combat cant seem to handle a combat environment. I will stick to a glock it is less pickey.

Chevy makes trucks, by your logic- if a corvette failed while pulling a dump trailer into the landfill, all chevy's are junk and can't be man handled. great point!

I have a sneaking suspicion that Bill Wilson was never in any danger of acquiring you as a customer, and he is probably very thankful for that.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 7:37 pm As Hackathorn pointed out, the Glock is a different type of mechanism and nowhere near as precise as that on a custom 1911.

But as was pointed out just after that by Bill wilson- the barrel lug really takes a beating... that's not precise nor 1911 specific. In fact he specifically mentioned that in reference to glock.


I get it- you don't care for those guys. But being uppidy doesn't make them wrong.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 4:03 pm So Wilson took his expensive custom 1911's to the NRA show and then got upset when they were handled?

No, they were upset when the guns were being mishandled, big difference. As he pointed out, it's bad for any guns, glock included.