74novaman wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:55 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:41 pm
They may well be for most people. All I know is that I find them easy to eject, but not so easy to line up and drop into the cylinder. I think
it’s related to there being 8 rounds to line up instead of 5 or 6. I freely admit that it might be due to two things....
- lack of practice, and
- even with a dedicated tool, I find it almost impossible to snap that 8th cartridge into the moon clip.
So in the end, it’s just easier to use a speed loader, and get over myself.
What moon clips and what ammo? Unfortunately, certain rims and certain clips don't play well together (I've experienced that one, not fun) and can make loading them a real bear.
On the same note, my TK Custom moon clips are noticeably thicker/stronger than my Speedbeez moon clips. Both work fine, but with 8 rounds of 38, the little bit of droop in the SB clips can make them harder to get lined up properly.
And lets be honest: 38 special/357 mag is the hardest to reload via moon clip. Long cases are harder to line up well than short cases...which is why most competition folks shooting with moon clips use 9mm, 38 short colt, 45 acp, etc.
I also continue to struggle with just lining up one round above one hole, and dropping it. When I do that, reloads usually go well. When I try to guide the moon clip all the way in, I'm more likely to bind and slow down. YMMV, but one more thing to try. Let gravity do the work.
It's pretty obvious in this clip:
First reload I'm trying to guide the moon clip all the way in. It's a bad reload. Second one I let it drop a little, and its smoother. Last one I'm having to reload an extra time for a make up shot and I just drop it in a hurry...and it was my fastest reload.
It's counterintuitive and hard to do, but once you start dropping them I think you'll find your reloads start to get smoother.
On the flip side I once got a casing stuck in the cylinder and slipped under the star on a Model 10 in the middle of a stage. I think that was a 15-20 second reload by the time I managed to get the case out of the cylinder, get it out sideways from under the star, and get my speed loader back in action? I'd personally take guaranteed ejection with moons even if I was slower with them than speed loaders on the reload....casings under stars are....less than fun.
Thanks for the suggestions. Right now, the only moon clips I’ve tried loading are the S&W clips that come with the gun. The only cartridges I’ve tried to load into those moon clips are a few rounds of a cheap .38 Special RNFMJ that came with the gun when I bought it (from Carlson), and Hornady 125 grain Critical Defense FTX, which is my chosen .357 carry load in other revolvers.
My observation is that the first round loads into the clip fairly easily, and it gets progressively more difficult with each one. By the 8th round, I just can’t get it to snap into place, and the force required to do it appears to overwhelm the stiffness of the polymer loading tool, causing it to bend under the pressure instead of forcing the cartridge into place. This phenomenon is true with both kinds of cartridges. They’ll all fit in the clip individually, but not as an 8-round set. My working theory is that it isn’t the relationship of thickness of the clip to the size of the groove above the rim that’s at issue. Rather, the clip loses a portion of its flexibility between the flanges as each round is snapped into its place around the clip, until there isn’t enough flexibility left in the material to allow the flanges on either side of the 8th hole to be spread far enough apart to accommodate snapping in the 8th cartridge. Ironically, the removal tool
snaps the cartridges out
of the clip with very little problem.
I am researching polymer moon clips.