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We should also be careful not to overlook this guy:

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:41 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:41 am
But here’s the thing.... and this is my reaction to the increasing crackdown on opioids.... I refill that prescription each month, even though I’ll typically have most of the previous refill still unused. That is much easier (and cheaper) than letting the prescription expire before I can buy all of the refills, and then having to make another doctor appointment and jump through those hoops again to get another prescription ordered, when nothing has really changed. I have a chronic back problem, with hardware in my spine, and the situation isn’t ever going to go away. Managing my pain this way is for MY convenience, and the gov’t be damned. It means that I can restrict my trips to the doctor to my semi-annual wellness checkups, and get anything that needs refilling reordered on those visits.

My doctor knows I’m doing this. He’s not stupid, but he knows this because I tell him that’s what I do. In other words, he knows that I’m not abusing my meds. But the state assumes the worst about me, because some people do abuse their meds.

They assume you are selling the extra pills since that is what some folks on medicare or other government assistance programs do for extra money with their meds.

"They" might assume such, but that has no more validity than assuming that I sell all the guns i buy out of the trunk of my car to ghetto rats. I don’t. And I resent the crap out of that assumption. My DOCTOR and I know that I’m not, and those are the only opinions that should matter. And JUST as with guns, I have to jump through additional hoops, because SOME people will misbehave. But all the laws in the world aren't going to stop their misbehavior. All those laws do is make the lives of the law-abiding like myself more complicated and inconvenient than they need to be.

Liberty wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:53 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:41 am
Stupid gov’t.

I saw this on Twitter yesterday, from the official Twitter account of the Pennsylvania state treasury:


Do you believe that?

.....the government could do a way better job of spending my money and running my life than I can.

And the great irony is that THIS WAS POSTED BY A GOV'T EMPLOYEE! How is it even possible that gov’t employs someone who can’t even manage their own life, to help manage the state's treasury? It’s beyond stupid! It’s insane.

This is how the gov’t views guns. This is how they view the relationship between a private physician and a private citizen. It’s how they view ALL of it. It’s time to burn it all down.

I think you missed the sarcasm. At least I hope it was sarcasm.

Nope. Read that thread. The individual who posted it was disputing another's anti-socialism statement.

ELB wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:53 pm Welcome back, I hope the rest of the recovery is speedy and as painless as possible.

I have a family member who has to the deal with pain management and the whole opioid debacle is much like gun control. It doesn’t matter if the criminals are controlled or not but will make things tough for the law abiding.

This has become my worry. I have a prescription with refills for tramadol. I actually don't take it very often....maybe not more than 3-4x/month. But when I need it, it’s the only thing that works. I usually take acetaminophen most but not all days of the week, 1st thing in the morning after getting up. That loosens my back and other joints up enough to get through the day in pretty good shape. But when it’s not enough, it’s just not enough. I don't believe in unnecessary suffering, and that’s when I’ll take a tramadol. The monthly prescription is for 45 tablets, to be taken 1 at a time up to 4x daily, with 4 months worth total prescribed. I haven’t taken 4 pills in one day in years....even on a pretty bad day.

But here’s the thing.... and this is my reaction to the increasing crackdown on opioids.... I refill that prescription each month, even though I’ll typically have most of the previous refill still unused. That is much easier (and cheaper) than letting the prescription expire before I can buy all of the refills, and then having to make another doctor appointment and jump through those hoops again to get another prescription ordered, when nothing has really changed. I have a chronic back problem, with hardware in my spine, and the situation isn’t ever going to go away. Managing my pain this way is for MY convenience, and the gov’t be damned. It means that I can restrict my trips to the doctor to my semi-annual wellness checkups, and get anything that needs refilling reordered on those visits.

My doctor knows I’m doing this. He’s not stupid, but he knows this because I tell him that’s what I do. In other words, he knows that I’m not abusing my meds. But the state assumes the worst about me, because some people do abuse their meds.

Stupid gov’t.

I saw this on Twitter yesterday, from the official Twitter account of the Pennsylvania state treasury:


Do you believe that?

.....the government could do a way better job of spending my money and running my life than I can.

And the great irony is that THIS WAS POSTED BY A GOV'T EMPLOYEE! How is it even possible that gov’t employs someone who can’t even manage their own life, to help manage the state's treasury? It’s beyond stupid! It’s insane.

This is how the gov’t views guns. This is how they view the relationship between a private physician and a private citizen. It’s how they view ALL of it. It’s time to burn it all down.

nyj wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:12 amRIP

Do you know something the rest of us do not?

joe817 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:01 am Everything everybody is saying is absolutely spot on! Take this VERY seriously. You are gambling with severe consequences and possibly even death.

Please do us a favor. Please give a family member your username and password in the likely event you will become incapacitated, or, God forbid, die from this unattended snakebite, and have them let us know what happened. I'm praying for you.

This ^^^^

narcissist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:26 am Thanks, I was worried about the mojave, so far just like bad sweats pains but a little swelling, being about 5ft they control their venom a little better. I looked it up its been way past 4 hours for the anti-venum. My wife was begging me to go it's just i hate hospitals and drs. I might give in tho, glad it's not the Mojave after all!

Maybe you’ll hate 'em less if they save your life?

narcissist wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:26 am Thanks, I was worried about the mojave, so far just like bad sweats pains but a little swelling, being about 5ft they control their venom a little better. I looked it up its been way past 4 hours for the anti-venum. My wife was begging me to go it's just i hate hospitals and drs. I might give in tho, glad it's not the Mojave after all!

You need to take this very seriously. Get your butt to the ER. You’re not just facing feeling real sick. You’re facing possible permanent loss of use of your hand.....FOREVER. This is NOT the time to play tough guy. Don’t be dumb. Get medical care right away.