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mojo84 wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

JALLEN wrote:

Dave2 wrote:
A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.

Worse than being imprisoned for possession of a AR15 clone, or a standard magazine?

Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America

Did you overlook this comment or just accept it as being ok? I agree with the rest of the comment but I cannot support looking forward to it as if it some kind of exciting event. There is a difference between acknowledging something and being prepared than gleefully looking forward to it.

Soccerdad, Appeasement is not what my comment is suggesting. Don't twist what I say for the sake of argument. I am very confident none of them was looking forward to and excited about the "fight". Don't try to claim they were.

I think you are reading more into the comment than I did. I took it as an acknowledgement that he would not back down from the challenge, not a desire for the conflict.

The conflict here is caused by people who are trying to take away rights from people. I hate that we have people who want to take away our rights. I wish that people did not have that desire to oppress others in this way. I sincerely wish that we could all live in peace and harmony. I really do. But we simply can't stop all evil people from being evil just by wishing that they were different.

The reality is that there are bad people in this world. One of them gave a campaign speech yesterday where he publicly announced that he wants to take away the rights and freedoms of Americans. And that man currently has the sworn loyalty of the most powerful military in the world. So, as much as we all hate it, our choices may well come down to either some level of appeasement by giving up our rights (which will eventually turn into a complete and total abandonment of all rights) or following the examples of our forefathers and exercising our right to change our system of government. Let's all strive to avoid that eventuality if at all possible, but if it comes to it, then yes I welcome the prospect of a fight precisely because the other alternative is so, so much worse.

I read and took what he said as what he said. I am not the one that read more into it or attributed a different meaning to it.

Quit lecturing me about our situation and what we face. I have a full and complete understanding of it. The lecturing is not responsive to my comment and it isn't necessary. Most of not all on here understands.

cb1000rider wrote:AJSully421, I assure you that mojo isn't the guy you're looking for with all that "liberal" talk.

Tempering posts is perhaps appropriate in the context of civil debate and actually solving problems. I know that I've taught my kids that sometimes you have to have a little self-control before speaking. If you simply want to rant and express your feelings, perhaps that has value to you personally, but it's very unlikely to have a very positive outcome with a larger group. It's not likely to influence people and bring them around to your way of thinking.

Liberty is much more than gun ownership. A US president that would actively monitor and surveil American citizens simply based on their religious preference or ethic background - that doesn't sound like a person that values liberty or understands it very well.

There is no way that the founding fathers could have forseen the impact of 200+ years of technology... However, I think they did pretty darn well with that Constitution thing.

mojo84 wrote:

AJSully421 wrote: Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.

This is the kind of comment that makes us all look like radical nutjobs. It definitely doesn't advance our cause by changing hearts and minds. It leads to further divisiveness and animosity and that is not what we need.

Dave2 wrote:

AJSully421 wrote:We are headed for a civil war. This nation is as divided on economic and social issues now as it was over slavery in 1860.

Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.

Really? You can't wait to start killing your countrymen, and for some of your friends and family to die in the fighting? You can't wait for the inevitable food, water, and medicinal shortages which would result from the chaos of a civil war?

A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.