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Don't know why I didn't have this in my notes but it also seemed that ST Pittman stated that no exemption for school employees having firearms in their vehicles in the school parking lot had passed. As I understand it, there was an amendment to SB 1566 authorizing the transportation and storage of a handgun or other firearm and ammunition by a license holder in a motor vehicle in a parking area of a primary or secondary school.

So, I either misunderstood ST Pittman or misunderstanding the amendment.

Liberty wrote:

KC5AV wrote:
There was nothing really touched on in the morning session that we haven't covered here (just another indication of how valuable this resource is. Thx Charles).

There was quite a lot of discussion on 46.035, and whether churches, hospitals, and nursing homes are off limits whether posted or not. Maybe next session, we can get a carve out to provide online re-certification for instructors.

I find it a little disturbing that there is still confusion about all of this. The law is pretty clear. Could it be that DPS thinks something we have been doing for years is illegal?

Now that I've had time to ponder on this I think the problem was that there is a title slide that says "Penal Code 46.035 Unlawful Carrying of a Handgun by License Holder" but all the section's slides (unless I'm missing some) are about 06/07 & 51%. Then there's a title slide for 46.03(a) followed by 46.03(a) verbiage. I just discovered in my copy that title slide is used twice, again following the 46.03(a) section. The second time it's followed by campus carry, open carry, and holster information. Nowhere is the verbiage of 46.035 listed. I'm thinking now that we were confused about what was being covered, although a couple examples used seem to support our thought that he was saying "prohibited anyway".

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Did the test involve scoring a target? That was funny last in-person renewal when we couldn't mark the holes.

Are the new forms for School safety classess? (101 & 9)

Chas.

Hmmm, wasn't a test unless I missed it. Like infoman said, the new forms are for online. The student shows up with the class portion of LTC-101filled out, then you attest to them fulfilling the range portion, then you submit the LTC-9.

In addition to the forgeries there are evidently a couple other investigations going on instructors.

And I think the Senior Troopers name is Pittman, not Goodman.

Evidently a few people were confused. When I went to ask him afterwards there were at least 6 or 7 asking.

Yes, those places must be posted to be prohibited for LTC. (As we knew.) Some examples he used were confusing. During safe storage, a contractor whose allowed to carry gets a call to go on a service call at a hospital, what's he going to do with his firearm? He didn't say, a posted hospital, but implied he wouldn't be able to carry.

LTC online class - nobody knows nothing. New forms -101, -9

Quite a few LTC 100 - Wrong Dr #, lacking signatures, provide some sort of range address.

Instructor! Do not mail or submit LTC-100 for student.

LTC forms Digital signature fine.

Instructor copy of LTC 100 doesn't require student signature.

On line training would allow out-of-state student to take course, then only come to TX for shooting, unless military. The just submit supporting docs.

Just had a big case of forgeries where they had to compare signatures between -8s and -100s. Insure signatures are same across forms.

Case where instructor had printed loads of digitally signed LTC- 100s which were stolen during a break in and submitted.

Cannot use state seal of Texas or agency name for any reason EXCEPT saying "certified by DPS".

Videos cannot be used in place of instruction, must be relevant to material, and instructor must be present.

No non-certified guest speaker unless that time is NOT included in 4-6 hour requirement. Includes LEO.

Class can be split by range time.

Questions about online keep popping up.  No answers. The rules will have to be written, submitted to Public Safety Commision, public comment,  back to PSC.... Maybe 2018

Online providers servers must be in Texas so they can be audited by DPS.

Current list of instructors on DPS website will be deleted.  Hoping to get interactive map online so user can click county and see instructor. Form handed out in class to get on new list.  Insure you have your instructor #.

Just because you got the email saying they got your -8 doesn't mean they got your -8.  There's a glitch. May apply to -100s, tell students if they see no status change in couple of weeks (month!) call.  Only way to check receipt of -8 is to call.

The LTC expert who used to answer phone has moved, couple people designated but learning.  Don't call on Monday. Open at 7am.  Stop taking calls at 6:45 but do handle all calls in queue.

No plans to replace current test.

As of 9/1 Corrections officers, cpcj, have to take course but not proficiency.   Must submit their agency form.

Getting fingerprinted for each type of application is a FBI requirement.

Don't call for students, cannot give out information.

State mail does not get forwarded.

Start app, take class, submit -100, little as 5 days to get license if clean.

Part 2 - Senior Trooper Goodman - involved in setting up CHL program.

(I'm just reporting, argue when you get here. Lots of use of interpretation, possibly, probably.)

Interpretation - basically anyone in the business has "apparent authority" 06/07

Can't give oral to some and not others.  Everyone treated same.

Drop leg holster is still not valid for open carry.

Question asked CHL badge good idea.  No opinion, just don't pretend to be LEO.

LOTS of talk (confusion?) on PC46.035.  He said (i) locations were still prohibited, with or without signs.  Please ask again when you go, maybe I just totally misunderstood.

Rest is safe storage and holsters and I'm running out of battery.

If you want a seat at a table be here at least 15 minutes before the registration time. Looks like a third are scattered in seats around the edge. They're still dragging out more chairs. Photo to follow.

And the screens are two small ones at the front, but you get a copy of the slides.

Evidently some instructor courses have been done here?

Plan on posting my notes here unless mods see a problem.