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jdm wrote:If, as a voter, you think you are punishing Bush, McCain, or the Republican party for the economy, bailout, "torture", or the Iraq war by voting for Obama, that is your right.

Interesting perspective. I've never had any discussions where someone would vote for a specific candidate as 'punishment' toward a party or platform. If anyone actually did this, it may be possible to surmise that the vote for Bush was one of the most masochistic votes in history.

I abhor single issue voting (as well as straight ticket voting), Obama's 2A stance may indeed turn me into a single issue voter.

jdm, it appears that you've never run a business. You'd hire Obama as a salesman over Palin? Really? I guess it depends on what you're selling. Regardless, the position we're discussing isn't for salesman, so other attributes come into play. I did hear a highly regarded polysci professor suggest that we should have two presidents: one to look good for the cameras/press and one to run the country.

jdm wrote:if you created a resume for Palin and Obama...

Have you ever run a business? Would you hire anyone solely off their resume? Some people look better in person than on paper and vice versa.

Our choices become increasingly depressing, but I cannot not vote. I'm going to make up a McCain/Biden sign for my yard.

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Liberty wrote:I am also confused. I am not disparaging anyone other than McCarthy, or any group of people

OK, I am no longer confused and thank you for the clarification.

I enjoy history and volunteer at a history museum. If we do not learn from history....well you know the rest.

BTW Liberty, noticing that you're in Galveston I sincerely hope that you came through the storm with minimal damage.

Liberty wrote:Many of the immigrants of the 20s 30s and 40s were Jewish. Many of the the folks McCarthy persecuted were also Jewish.

What is the source for your numbers? Of the well over 5 million immigrants to the US between 1920-1944, only about 100,000 were Jewish. This is less than 2% of the total. Is this how you define many?

McCarthy focused on Hollywood and trade unions so it makes sense that Jews would be over represented in those groups. We well know that simply because McCarthy singled out folks for his persecution, it does not mean they were communist, yet your post seems to claim otherwise. Last time I checked, loyal Americans don't attempt to jail other Americans for having different political views.

At the same time that McCarthy was accusing Jews in America of being communist, the Jews in the Soviet Union were being harassed and jailed for being capitalist. In this country during the 1930s, Jews were disparaged for controlling business and for organizing the trade unions that were trying to undermine business. In each case, how can both sets of accusations be legitimate?

Please be careful Mr. Liberty that when attempting to stereotype others that you do not end up stereotyping yourself.

Back OT, no Jew in their right mind should support Obama, however as many Jews traditionally vote Democratic, likely too many will support the wrong candidate in this election. Texas Jews are much better represented in the Republican vote. McCain made a huge error in selecting Palin as his running mate as she has become the deal killer for some swing voters.

Liberty wrote:Most of the Communist outed under McCarthism were elitist acadamian types and not revolutionists. Many of the Communnist were folks who were affected by Hitlers Nazi party. To persecute people for what they believe and not for anything they have actually done is the true evil. Today these extreme leftist actually have positions of power and actually do thing which work to destroy our nation. Only difference is they have a difference is today they call themselves Progessives instead of Communist. Then we destroyed careers, today they are presidential Candidates and Speaker of the House. Back then they were idealistic acadamian joiners, Today they are actively destroying our nation.

Not sure I follow. Good on you for your comment that it's wrong to persecute people for what they believe. If someone does not love their government, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't love their country. The rest of your comments are confusing.

The Communist Party in the US was attracting more members during the 30's than during the 50's when McCarthy did his witch hunt. While some of the Nazi appeal was their staunch opposition to the communists, they were never an electoral majority in Germany. So what is the group that was affected by the Nazi's? Immigrants? Immigration to the US was heavily limited by quotas during the 30's. I thought most European immigrants of the 50's were staunch opponents of the communists and indeed some of the most proud Americans you could ask to meet. Can you please clarify?