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jmra wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:03L,
Just because people criticize a part of our government (local, state, or federal) why does it have to mean that they're criticizing the state itself?
Based on your response, you're taking a perceived insult to the state pretty personally. I don't think that's what was intended.

And I don't thing suggesting that people leave is the best solution for the state. If you like things exactly the way they are, then anyone wanting to change anything should leave.. Some us might disagree or might want to have a respectful discussion.

Based on what I read of Dori's posts, she(?) is not looking for meaningful dialogue, but more in the line of drive by digs.

Anygunanywhere

Exactly why i called the poster out! And then put the poster on ignore.

Tic Tac wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Pretty sad what some folks see as humor. Maybe it was simply an opportunist working real hard to take a cheap shot at Texas. Either way, I am not impressed.

This isn't the first time said poster expressed a level of disrespect for the people of our great state. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to hang out on a forum full of people from a state they hate so much.

it seems like she is more bothered by the carpetbaggers and Yankee sympathizers trying to keep remnants of reconstruction era gun laws, not the Texans pushing for more gun rights.

I wonder why you feel so threatened by Dori calling a spade a spade.

Threatened? No... there is nothing threatening about a troll. Since you feel Dori is correct in the constant insults at texas, I will tell you like I told Dori. if you don't like Texas... why hang out trying to make "friends"?

jmra wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Dori wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:You reckon?

We've spent the entire last six (6) summers in a half dozen or more OC states and we've never noticed (gawked at/been panicked/terrorized by) anyone in an OC configuration. OC is no big deal...where it's legal. You either do or you don't....it's called freedom of choice.

Maybe that sounds too much like "pro choice" for Texas Republicans to allow it to pass.

Murdering unborn babies under the guise of "choice" isn't remotely close to the open-carry issue.

Chas.

I agree 100 %.
Nor can I think of any circumstance where it would be a laughing matter.

Pretty sad what some folks see as humor. Maybe it was simply an opportunist working real hard to take a cheap shot at Texas. Either way, I am not impressed.

This isn't the first time said poster expressed a level of disrespect for the people of our great state. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to hang out on a forum full of people from a state they hate so much.

jmra wrote:

rockinar wrote:What they need to do is expand the law to eliminate any issues with CHL printing and accidental exposure.

You might want to look at the changes that went into effect Sep 1.

Yeah. He is gonna be real happy!

Keith B wrote:OK guys, keep the discussions civil and on a business-like basis or this will be locked. We are tired of these open carry threads turning into finger pointing and shoving matches.

No problem. My apologies.

cb1000rider wrote:03L,
I'm pointing out a little "do as I say, not as I do" - that's all.

This is not applicable here. I am not the one needing the support of the masses. I have no cause I am trumpeting. You seem to have it backwards. If you are addressing my referring to OC radicals who carry mass murderer style rifles through malls as morons, you are a bit late to the table on that one. That issue was addressed and put away many posts back.

With that said, is your only reason for posting just now to stir the pot? Maybe grand stand for your perceived fan base? It sure looks like it. I see no other reason for you to address me with your seriously misplaced sense of moral superiority. I suppose we are done now.

cb1000rider wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:You will never win over the masses by insulting them.

But it works just fine on individuals.

Austin is already Democratic. It's already been picked.
Worry about the rest of the state, especially since we're facing shifting demographics. I don't think exclusionary political policy is a viable long term strategy in Texas.

The individual is the path to the whole group. If OC is ever to have a chance at passing, open carry proponents MUST win over as much support as possible. They will not win support by alienating gun owners, be it individually or as a group. I am not sure how you think insulting individuals will lead to the passage of OC.

tbrown wrote:I live near there. Most of them can't hold a candle to people pushing "reasonable restrictions" on gun forums.

That is just silly. . It is also a great example of why OC radicals, not proponents only the radicals, will never achieve anything. You will never win over the masses by insulting them.

tbrown wrote:If nothing else, this discussion made me appreciate why the Democrats think Texas is ripe for the picking.

Only Austin.

jbarn wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:After reading more of these threads debating open carry than I can count, I have noticed a couple common denominators. Not one person has ever posted,"I'm against open carry". Many have said they would not do it for one reason or the other but it is always posted that they would not be against it as long as it did not pose a risk to our CC rights.

I have also noticed the one and only concern anyone has ever expressed about changing the law to allow open carry is a concern for this creating less places we can conceal carry.

Do the open carry radicals express any desire to address these concerns? NEVER! Dismissing concerns expressed by others as irrelevant is not the same as addressing them.

There will never be open carry until this changes. Want open carry to be legalized? Start proposing solutions that will address the one and only objection ever expressed by the ONLY people in this state who you might be able to persuade to join your cause.

Did you read the post directly above yours?

Yes I did. My post was actually inspired by the post above mine. My first draft made it more clear but I edited it in an attempt to avoid sounding like I was making it personal. The first couple sentences of my post were actually a lead up to the main point I was trying to make, which I reinserted into the snip you made and highlighted in red.

Sorry it created confusion. I had edited out the first few words in the second line of my post and left that line reading completely different than I meant it to. It originally read something like, "you may be the first person I have ever read to actually confess to being against OC" and I was trying to keep the responses from being about that rather than the part I highlighted in red just above.

I am going to destroy my iPad. Sorry about the multiple posts.

After reading more of these threads debating open carry than I can count, I have noticed a couple common denominators. Not one person has ever posted,"I'm against open carry". Many have said they would not do it for one reason or the other but it is always posted that they would not be against it as long as it did not pose a risk to our CC rights.

I have also noticed the one and only concern anyone has ever expressed about changing the law to allow open carry is a concern for this creating less places we can conceal carry.

Do the open carry radicals express any desire to address these concerns? NEVER! Dismissing concerns expressed by others as irrelevant is not the same as addressing them.

There will never be open carry until this changes. Want open carry to be legalized? Start proposing solutions that will address the one and only objection ever expressed by the ONLY people in this state who you might be able to persuade to join your cause.

TexasCajun wrote:

nightmare wrote:

UpTheIrons wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Why doesn't Texas have open carry today? Two words: Joe Strauss.

This is one of those times the forum needs a great, big "Like" button.

He's a big problem in the house of representatives but we can't blame him for everything if we're being honest.

The senate leadership is responsible for the lack of progress with both open carry and campus carry there.

The governor is responsible for himself not putting any pro-gun bills on the call for any of the special sessions.

The blame for open carry failure needs to be shared. There were so many personal attacks, threats, and just plain vile comments on Rep Pickett's Facebook page during the session that he eventually shut the page down. Not exactly out of the how to win friends & influence people playbook.

This is a fact. The radicals running web sites like ocdo and similar are not very intelligent. They lash out foolishly because of this. It is like a child throwing themselves on the floor of the grocery store, screaming and kicking when mommy said they can't have a candy bar.

rp_photo wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:OC is not legal in Texas because the people pushing the hardest for it are a bunch of idiots who don't know how to behave properly in public. They believe in an in your face approach that has proven in the past to be counter productive to their stated goals.
Get these people to crawl back under their rocks and OC just might have a chance.

Stated slightly differently than my response, but IMO true.

I also agree with him if he's referring to the "Starbucks appreciation" types who create public spectacle and frighten those we're trying to win over.

Add me to this list as well.