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by 03Lightningrocks
Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: +P vs Hollow Point
Replies: 30
Views: 6275

Re: +P vs Hollow Point

DEB wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:53 am
03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:08 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:36 pm
SigX5 wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:25 am Yo guys. First time on this site. This thread was appealing. I just purchased my first handgun. I was in the military and loved the 9 mm so I recently went with the Sig X5. The salesman explained that I should have a magazine of hollow point and that i could also use +p. He didn’t really explain that so i also was under the impression they were mutually exclusive.

As I understand the attributes are different now, the question really is not this or that, as in +p or hollow point. The question is what does each do, on its own?

So am I hearing this correctly? +p are used for stopping power and hollow point are used to control collateral damage? So if I’m in my house and don’t care about what my bullet hits after it takes down the intruder, then I would use +p. It would have greater force and therefore more stopping power. Also these bullets will do more wear on my gun and will cost a lot more.

However, if I’m in my house and I care that my kids or wife or husband could be behind the intruder, then I would opt for the hollow point? It will flatten on impact and therefore has less penetration power and is less likely to travel through an intruder into my neighbors home. This type of round will cost more than normal 9 mm but not as much as +p.
Are those correct summaries? I suppose for completeness you could add what a +p hollow point combo is good for. I assume the ultimate home defense round? Stopping power plus collateral damage mitigation?
Get it out of your head that +P and hollowpoints are in the same category of things. Hollowpoints, also called "JHP", is a type of bullet construction. +P is a measure of case pressure during cartridge detonation. Generally speaking, cartridges of a given caliber have a "standard" pressure measurement for the caliber. Adding additional gunpowder to the cartridge increases the pressure in the case during detonation. So, take a standard load and increase the powder, and you have a +P load. Take a +P load and add even more powder, and you’ve got a +P+ load. OR.... take a standard load, but add a longer bullet that sits deeper in the case, and that can increase pressures to +P levels.

Exactly none of this has anything to do with bullet selection except in one way.... hollowpoints are almost always superior for self defense. They do more damage, and are less likely to overpenetrate and hit an unintended target. Adding more gunpowder to create a +P load with that hollowpoint might make it perform even better, or it might make it disintegrate after entering the target.

With rare exception, using a hollowpoint is the better choice. But your decision whether to use a standard pressure hollowpoint load, or a +P or +P+ hollowpoint load should be dependent on several different factors, including what kind of gun you’re using, in what caliber, for what intended purpose, and your personal sensitivity to recoil.
Even after nine and a half years and multiple posts above this one, there is always one left. :smilelol5:
I for one appreciate when folks bring up old posts. I don't need more information on +P or NATO rounds, but others might. Not all are as all knowing as some. I have read here when folks ask questions and others state to do a search and when one does and asks questions concerning it, others belittle. So, to the OP welcome aboard and keep asking questions. I love old Milsurp firearms, and often resurect old threads, just because what I had read doesn't fully answer my question. Most will answer politely and attempt to help you out and then there are others...
I understand what you are saying but in this case the answer to the question was in the post just before the question asked. It seems if one is going to resurrect an old thread, one might read the thread to see if the answer to their question is already there.
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:08 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: +P vs Hollow Point
Replies: 30
Views: 6275

Re: +P vs Hollow Point

The Annoyed Man wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:36 pm
SigX5 wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:25 am Yo guys. First time on this site. This thread was appealing. I just purchased my first handgun. I was in the military and loved the 9 mm so I recently went with the Sig X5. The salesman explained that I should have a magazine of hollow point and that i could also use +p. He didn’t really explain that so i also was under the impression they were mutually exclusive.

As I understand the attributes are different now, the question really is not this or that, as in +p or hollow point. The question is what does each do, on its own?

So am I hearing this correctly? +p are used for stopping power and hollow point are used to control collateral damage? So if I’m in my house and don’t care about what my bullet hits after it takes down the intruder, then I would use +p. It would have greater force and therefore more stopping power. Also these bullets will do more wear on my gun and will cost a lot more.

However, if I’m in my house and I care that my kids or wife or husband could be behind the intruder, then I would opt for the hollow point? It will flatten on impact and therefore has less penetration power and is less likely to travel through an intruder into my neighbors home. This type of round will cost more than normal 9 mm but not as much as +p.
Are those correct summaries? I suppose for completeness you could add what a +p hollow point combo is good for. I assume the ultimate home defense round? Stopping power plus collateral damage mitigation?
Get it out of your head that +P and hollowpoints are in the same category of things. Hollowpoints, also called "JHP", is a type of bullet construction. +P is a measure of case pressure during cartridge detonation. Generally speaking, cartridges of a given caliber have a "standard" pressure measurement for the caliber. Adding additional gunpowder to the cartridge increases the pressure in the case during detonation. So, take a standard load and increase the powder, and you have a +P load. Take a +P load and add even more powder, and you’ve got a +P+ load. OR.... take a standard load, but add a longer bullet that sits deeper in the case, and that can increase pressures to +P levels.

Exactly none of this has anything to do with bullet selection except in one way.... hollowpoints are almost always superior for self defense. They do more damage, and are less likely to overpenetrate and hit an unintended target. Adding more gunpowder to create a +P load with that hollowpoint might make it perform even better, or it might make it disintegrate after entering the target.

With rare exception, using a hollowpoint is the better choice. But your decision whether to use a standard pressure hollowpoint load, or a +P or +P+ hollowpoint load should be dependent on several different factors, including what kind of gun you’re using, in what caliber, for what intended purpose, and your personal sensitivity to recoil.
Even after nine and a half years and multiple posts above this one, there is always one left. :smilelol5:

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