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by 03Lightningrocks
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal
Replies: 42
Views: 7182

Re: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal

thatguyoverthere wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:21 pm
K.Mooneyham wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:20 am
So, worst case scenario. They win, the court says that anything that even remotely looks like a machinegun, if it scares someone who thinks it's a machinegun, well, it's a machinegun. Now, explain to me how that Nevada state case effects OTHER states, including our own. Also, if ALL those guns are instantly machineguns, and somehow Nevada law instantly equals Federal law, then please explain to me how the Federal government will go about ENFORCING it uniformly across the nation. Are they going to suddenly hire thousand upon thousand of agents, whose sole job will be to go door-to-door and confiscate those firearms? Do they think all the LEOs across the nation are suddenly going to stop doing whatever other police work they have to do, just to confiscate those firearms? How many firearms will it apply to? Does that court know where all the firearms are? Yes, I know the predicted scenarios, you're at the range with your AR and suddenly ATF agents descend upon you and whisk you away to a Federal prison for ten years...or you are stopped for a tail-light out and BAM!, same thing, etc, etc. Look, the states where "assault weapons" are already illegal can't enforce those kinds of laws with any degree of efficiency, how do they think they'll enforce it across the nation, where a good portion of LEOs just aren't going to put any effort into it at all?
Others here can and have stated it more eloquently than I can, but let me take a stab at it:

No, LEO's will not have to be taken off other duties to go confiscate newly illegal weapons, because they will NOT go door to door to confiscate weapons. What will happen is that the owners of these now illegal weapons will be driven underground.

Owners won't be taking these newly illegal guns to public ranges for fear of arrest and prosecution for owning an illegal weapon. There will be no more public training classes where you can learn and practice new skills with your now illegal gun. Owners will not carry their newly illegal guns with them in their car or truck, again for fear of somehow being discovered during a minor traffic stop or some such. Owners of such weapons wouldn't even be able to use them at home for actual self defense, again for fear of being arrested and prosecuted for possession of an illegal weapon.

So we can't use it, we can't train with it, we can't carry it. Oh sure, we've still got it. We showed them! They can't come take it from me! But what good is it now? Do we just keep it tucked away in the back of the safe? Or better yet, hidden in the attic or out in the barn?

Of course, there will be some exceptions. Some people have the benefit of owning lots of acreage out in the country, so they can at least take it out to their own private range. But if they're illegal weapons, how long will ammo be commercially available? After all, no public is supposed to own that gun, so there's no need to manufacture and market ammo for it. Sure, load our own. Those supplies, while maybe not drying up completely, will certainly be harder and harder to come by. Plus, lots of folks don't reload anyway. Make a few more would start, but many won't.

Some will continue to carry it with them in their vehicle. Others may go ahead and keep it as their first weapon of choice for home defense and deal with whatever falls out after the fact.

Or maybe you're the brother-in-law of the Sheriff or Chief or the county prosecutor and you're confident that you would never be arrested and/or prosecuted for your "crime." That may be, but are you willing to bet the next 10-15 years of your freedom on that?

So some will not be affected by the total prohibition of these guns. But most will be. But the gun grabbers don't care, because the bottom line is, the gun-grabbers know they don't actually have to take your gun. If they can be confident that we are (mostly) controlled well enough to never actually use our "illegal" gun, then I think they can be satisfied with that. While their ultimate goal of confiscation has not been achieved, the end result is essentially the same, with much less muss and fuss. And if the occasionally law breaker is found to have and/or used this illegal gun, that person is simply arrested, prosecuted and sent to prison for 10-15 years - the perfect example of what we do with law breakers such as this!

But even if some of us are able to continue to use our "illegal" guns - even if we are able to continue to find ammo, and even if we do take it out into the woods to practice with it, and even if we do organize underground training sessions - even if we do carry it in our truck, yea for us. But what about the next generation? After we are all dead and gone, are our children and grandchildren going to continue our "illegal" activity? Are our children and grandchildren going to endanger their and/or their own families futures by keeping illegal weapons around the house many years from now? Are our children and grandchildren as passionate about our rights as we are? Certainly in some cases yes, but I believe in most cases, not so much. Sure, we've taught them to enjoy shooting and everything that goes with it, but are they passionate enough about it to literally risk their lives just to illegally hang on to this old rifle?

No, I think we cannot afford the attitude of just letting the Left drive these kinds of ideas into laws today. If that were to actually happen to enough of an extreme, one of the few solutions that would resolve that would be extremely messy. The problem with a huge mess is that somebody always eventually has to clean it up. Do you want to leave the task of cleaning up that mess to your kids or grandkids? I don't.

So I think a better solution is to do everything we can right now to fight - legally and politically - to prevent these kinds of laws from coming into being in the first place. And to work to legally and politically to change those that are already in place. Not that that will be a quick or easy task. But I sure like that solution a lot better than the alternative.

Just my 2 cents. Take it for what it's worth. May God bless this state and this nation. :tiphat:
2 cents? That was at least a dollar fifty worth. :mrgreen:
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal
Replies: 42
Views: 7182

Re: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal

Texas_Blaze wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:52 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:42 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:37 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:35 pm
If the Democrats get control of the House and Senate, it will be all out war on firearms and they will use any justification they can to outlaw our firearms.
Dems had the Presidency, Senate and House in 2008-2010. My gun ownership remained unchanged until 2019 when I became a criminal for owning a piece of plastic accessory.
Yeah, they were preoccupied with destroying our healthcare system.
Sorry I thought you said something about firearms.
I was but when you hopped in the way back machine, I thought I would try and explain the difference in then and now. If the dems had control of both today, we would have also lost the weapon that piece of plastic connects to.
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal
Replies: 42
Views: 7182

Re: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal

Texas_Blaze wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:37 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:35 pm
If the Democrats get control of the House and Senate, it will be all out war on firearms and they will use any justification they can to outlaw our firearms.
Dems had the Presidency, Senate and House in 2008-2010. My gun ownership remained unchanged until 2019 when I became a criminal for owning a piece of plastic accessory.
Yeah, they were preoccupied with destroying our healthcare system.
by 03Lightningrocks
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:35 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal
Replies: 42
Views: 7182

Re: Lawsuit argues AR-15 illegal

If the Democrats get control of the House and Senate, it will be all out war on firearms and they will use any justification they can to outlaw our firearms.

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