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JALLEN wrote:Have there been any updates on complaints made to the AG, where the AG has notified the offender(s), and the signs either removed or the AG convinced they were within the law?

I find the AG letter to Brazos County earlier this year, and several others were reported as having been sent letters.

Complaints are about to be filed here, and I wonder if anything ever happens.

There have been several counties/cities that have removed signs after review by the AG and a letter being sent to them. Liberty County, I understand is fighting back.. Their commissioners want the entire courthouse declared as "offices of the court" .. we shall see how it's played out.

SRO1911 wrote:One of our very excellent [there are 2 now] city council members - Steven Savage - has already responded.
His involvement, along with residents who follow him, has resulted in the removal of the signs pending clarification from the attorney general.
He, along with a number of others, has already submitted reports to the attorney generals office.
City hall seems to be a settled matter, for the moment.
The Taylor County courthouse also located in abilene is another matter entirely.
There are no 30.06 signs, however there are numerous signs listing prohibited items along with deputies and metal detectors.

Kudos to the City Council for reversing the City Manager's decision..

http://www.ktxs.com/news/councilman-lea ... 0/36032528

Well..

The city of Abilene has decided, this week, to post signs informing the public of the law banning the carry of open or concealed firearms inside city hall.
http://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/ ... -carry-law

Apparently Abilene is going to go with the "better now than later" approach.. News reports that the City Manager has posted Abilene City Hall with 30.06, ahead of the Attorney General's ruling on Courtrooms.

Abilene has a municipal court that is accessible through City hall, but it also has a separate entrance with metal detectors and bailiff .. .

The reporter has been questioning them as well apparently..

the web page to the news: http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/City ... 71651.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

now has an update posted on it..

***UPDATE***

According to state legislature, the law Mayor Howard references, Sec. 30.06 in the Texas penal code, is not enforceable if "the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity."
Sec. 46.035(c) of the Texas penal code, however, states that licensed concealed handguns are illegal "at any meeting of a governmental entity" so long as the 30.06 sign is posted.
On Oct. 7, Tom Bean Police Chief Frank Deater responded to News 12's request for comment on the issue.
Deater replied, in an email:
"We here in Tom Bean, Texas are like many small communities that have only one main building and use it for multi functional purposes.
We at city hall house, the water department, the city secretary office, the Mayor’s Office, the Library, the Police Department and the city court.
The penal code address places where weapons are prohibited. In penal code section 46.03 subsection (3) on the premises of any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless regulations or written authorizations of the court.
City court activity is an everyday function here at the Tom Bean city hall. This is the reason that we posted the law for our customers and citizens who carry. With the city court here, it is illegal to carry on these premises."

I emailed the reporter..

no response back from her.. I'll try again..

still no response as of today from the Mayor, I figured my gmail may have been blocked by a firewall rule within the city, so I emailed the News station that carried the story.

Just got back this reply..

Hi there,

My name is Madeline-- I am the reporter who covered that story.

I, too, emailed the Mayor of Tom Bean with no response. Tomorrow, I will follow up with a phone call and see where that gets me.

I really appreciate your interest in this story. I will be sure to provide an update ASAP, so be on the lookout!

Regards,

Madeline Schmitt
Morning Reporter | KXII-TV
madeline.schmitt@kxii.com
(254)289-3205
Twitter: @madelinedenise

See what develops..

JKTex wrote:
TxLobo wrote:Seems that now the media has been informed that ... well, they can't do that..

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/City ... 71651.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

***UPDATE***

According to state legislature, the law Mayor Howard references, Sec. 30.06 in the Texas penal code, is not enforceable if "the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity."
Sec. 46.035(c) of the Texas penal code, however, states that licensed concealed handguns are illegal "at any meeting of a governmental entity."

News 12 has reached out for a response from Mayor Sherry Howard regarding these laws.

I've sent her an email also, asking for clarification.. just .. well, you know. Slowly stirring..

Did you ever get a response? I haven't seen anything further in the media, although I'd wonder if they scrambled to try to make it go away. She's an elected official after-all, being that ignorant of law and not having legal council could surely get a few some attention that could be a problem come election time.

No, the Honorable Mayor did not respond to my email from my personal account. I didn't want to send one from work, so not to ruffle feathers. I was very polite in asking what they based their policy on, and if there had been any questions arise from their decision..

Even our city attorney, whom I've had several chats with responded with something along the lines of.. "what a goober!" ..

Seems that now the media has been informed that ... well, they can't do that..

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/City ... 71651.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

***UPDATE***

According to state legislature, the law Mayor Howard references, Sec. 30.06 in the Texas penal code, is not enforceable if "the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity."
Sec. 46.035(c) of the Texas penal code, however, states that licensed concealed handguns are illegal "at any meeting of a governmental entity."

News 12 has reached out for a response from Mayor Sherry Howard regarding these laws.

I've sent her an email also, asking for clarification..

just .. well, you know. Slowly stirring..

Oh this one ought to be good..

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/City ... 71651.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder where their City Attorney got his degree?

Another issue voted on at city council on Monday was the enforcement of a gun law in the town.
The law, according to Howard, was already in effect. However, it could not be enforced until the city hung official signs.
The law states that concealed handguns are not permitted on city property, even if the gun owner has a Concealed Handgun License.
The exception to the law is city employees who receive permission -- and also have a CHL.

Police officers in uniform are exempt from any such law forbidding a weapon. But when off duty, they fall under the same regulations as city employees who wish to carry a concealed weapon on city property.

"We need to protect our staff, our city council people, our police officers, our citizens that come to our meetings as well," she said.
City property, Howard said, includes city hall, the community center, the library and, once it's built, the town's park.
She said the measure is proactive, not reactive, and that no previous incidences led to this decision.

JKTex wrote:
Bottom line is, it doesn't matter what an officer or sgt or a captain or anyone says. The law is the law and effective notice is prescribed by the law. No officer, sgt, or any other LEO can change it.

I'm gonna unsubscribe form this thread before I go bald pulling my hair out.

I understand your frustration, and I understand your statement.. I'm not making the statement, the officer/trooper is..

I'm not wishing to be a test case, because even though we know what's written, the officer is going to arrest based on his training and department procedure. as Steve pointed out above, it's up to the CA or DA to prosecute the case, hopefully they have some gray matter...

JKTex wrote:
TxLobo wrote:
El_Capitan wrote:
Hmmm.... maybe I am missing something. Who would be the first agency you would go with if you had questions about concealed carry laws and CHL?
Very good question.. the DPS here told several people that the generic "gun buster" sign at our local mall was sufficient notice under 30.06, even though the local police told people different, and the law even as written says different.

One reserve officer has been heard to state that ANYONE that he finds driving with a handgun in their car, if they don't have a CHL, they are going to jail..
The DPS or 1 supposed Officer?

Anyone can repeat rumor, make assumptions and what-if's but that doens't change the law or if it's by an LEO, doens't mean that an entire agency is a bone headed chest thumper with an authority complex. If, an Officer actually said it in context of being illegal as stated.

Know the law; it's your/our responsibility and risk, not theirs. And don't listen to bone headed comments, or enjoy getting a laugh from them.

Sgt of this district.. so I guess that would be 10 troopers under him?

I believe that he specifically told wgoforth from our forum.. I was told by one of the troopers in passing that yes, this was the desire of the Mall management.

The current security detail does not abide by that logic and has told me in person that there is no issue with a current CHL holder from carrying on the mall property. So I hope that statement is now null and void.

the other is a reserve officer and he has told friends that exact statement.

El_Capitan wrote:
Hmmm.... maybe I am missing something. Who would be the first agency you would go with if you had questions about concealed carry laws and CHL?

Very good question.. the DPS here told several people that the generic "gun buster" sign at our local mall was sufficient notice under 30.06, even though the local police told people different, and the law even as written says different.

One reserve officer has been heard to state that ANYONE that he finds driving with a handgun in their car, if they don't have a CHL, they are going to jail..

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