No less for you Sir.narcissist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:10 pm I'll end this post by saying---> Hope Everyone Has a Safe and Great Hunting Season!!!
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- Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:32 pm
- Forum: Hunting Photos
- Topic: Chucky and the deer blind.
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Re: Chucky and the deer blind.
- Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:32 pm
- Forum: Hunting Photos
- Topic: Chucky and the deer blind.
- Replies: 26
- Views: 18415
Re: Chucky and the deer blind.
narcissist wrote:
I don't know how familiar you are with forensics...but trying to I.D. a person from a 'partial print' left on a .22 shell casing would be quite a trick. Even IF a print were lifted...if the person (or persons) prints are not already in the data base (criminal history) you are going to come up empty. The Warden knew that. Perhaps he could have taken the time to explain that to you and maybe you would have been placated, but I have my doubts...since years later, you still haven't let go of it.
Short of having an eyewitness to the incident...there was little more the Warden could have done. The incident...involved vandalism (destruction of property) and shooting across a property line. NOT celebratory gun fire (which also has elements that must be met in order for it to felonious). Maybe....you'd get a Judge/JP to agree that your deer stand was worth $2500.00 (at the time of the shooting), but you're more likely to be hit by a meteor sometime this week. ;)
I'm with you concerning the idiotic and unnecessary nature of the event. And from what you've told us...I have little doubt the new Land Owner is a real piece of work. But that isn't the fault of the Game Warden. You feel as if he could have done more. From his perspective (and experience) it would have been a waste of time and effort (at that juncture) to have put more effort and resources into it. He has to work within the confines of the law, not hearsay, hunches, feelings, etc.
Wardens (unfortunately) often have to prioritize enforcing the laws and infractions. They typically have to cover a large area and like it or not...have to spend most of their time dealing with cases where there are bigger fish to fry. I know that doesn't help you any...but I would ask that you try to understand their (Wardens) situation and then do what YOU can to collect/produce actionable evidence should anything like that happen again.
I think you just don't understand how impossible it would be for law enforcement to make anything of this incident. Not that they don't want to....it's just that from a practical standpoint...it was not worth pursuing (beyond making contact with the land owner and making him aware).I expected him to do his job? Pretty sure the bullet casings had prints on them, I doubt they wiped them down like a real criminal would. The deer blind is elevated so whoever shot it up shot in the air, thought that was a felony? I know celebratory gun fire is a felony, whoever did it had fun I'm guessing.
I don't know how familiar you are with forensics...but trying to I.D. a person from a 'partial print' left on a .22 shell casing would be quite a trick. Even IF a print were lifted...if the person (or persons) prints are not already in the data base (criminal history) you are going to come up empty. The Warden knew that. Perhaps he could have taken the time to explain that to you and maybe you would have been placated, but I have my doubts...since years later, you still haven't let go of it.
Short of having an eyewitness to the incident...there was little more the Warden could have done. The incident...involved vandalism (destruction of property) and shooting across a property line. NOT celebratory gun fire (which also has elements that must be met in order for it to felonious). Maybe....you'd get a Judge/JP to agree that your deer stand was worth $2500.00 (at the time of the shooting), but you're more likely to be hit by a meteor sometime this week. ;)
I'm with you concerning the idiotic and unnecessary nature of the event. And from what you've told us...I have little doubt the new Land Owner is a real piece of work. But that isn't the fault of the Game Warden. You feel as if he could have done more. From his perspective (and experience) it would have been a waste of time and effort (at that juncture) to have put more effort and resources into it. He has to work within the confines of the law, not hearsay, hunches, feelings, etc.
Wardens (unfortunately) often have to prioritize enforcing the laws and infractions. They typically have to cover a large area and like it or not...have to spend most of their time dealing with cases where there are bigger fish to fry. I know that doesn't help you any...but I would ask that you try to understand their (Wardens) situation and then do what YOU can to collect/produce actionable evidence should anything like that happen again.
- Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:21 am
- Forum: Hunting Photos
- Topic: Chucky and the deer blind.
- Replies: 26
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Re: Chucky and the deer blind.
Not sure what more you expected the Warden to do? He contacted the current owner. Unless you have reason to believe the current land owner was responsible or have proof of that, what did you expect to happen? Do you know if the current land owner leases out the property or allows others access to it for hunting or other purposes? The Warden well knew...it would be nearly impossible to pin it down.narcissist wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:54 pm About six years ago I had a decent deer blind that had been on the fence line at that time for about ten years. Had a agreement with the owner next door if you see something good on my side shoot it and vice-versa.
Well one morning before entering the blind I saw the windows busted out first after further investigation found Bullet Holes, yes about 75 bullet holes all throughout the blind entering only from the neighbors side. Bullet casings from a 22lr were all on the neighbors property, bassically in a a couple piles. So many you could see the shine of the brass in the daylight, usually a beautiful sight to see not this time.
I then contacted who was the neighbor a real older nice man, he had informed me that he sold the property a few years back and was nice enough to give me the contact info of the new owner.
Immediately contacted the local Game Warden, had his cell phone number. He informed me he had retired and to contact the newbie. So I did of course, rode with the Warden out to the blind "trying" to get on his good side, since he's the new Warden.
Anyway once we got there and he took photos collected the evidence ect. I was talking to him about how the suspect had been committing about two crimes. One destroying private property and two shooting in the air with a firearm, that's a felony.
Warden called the land owner and informed him of the situation at hand. The neighbor stated he did not even own a firearm, but yet every year they dump the caucuses right on the fence line futher down. So at this point in time the guy didnt want to speak any further and hung up.(a little suspicious)?
I spoke to the Warden a little longer about the situation and the Warden then stated "Not much can be done at this time but I will follow up with you at a latter date". Took my info, number ect.
At this point I was pretty angry with the Warden, who wouldn't be? Continued on about the felony that took place and the evidence In Hand. He then stated in a chuckle "Its Just A Deer Blind".
So as "Chucky" was walking to his vehicle he looked back because I wasn't coming along, told him I'll walk back find your way, just lock the gate behind you.
Still today six years later no news, I've called may times because the 7 year mark is coming up soon. They always tell me we are investigating it Sir but nothing new as of yet.20190924_191216-600x600.jpg20190924_191228-600x600.jpg20190924_191246-600x600.jpg
And what 'Felonies' were supposedly committed? I agree that wanton vandalism occurred and also intentionally shooting across a property line. Both misdemeanors unless the value of your deer stand exceeded $2500.00, which by appearances it does not.
Like you....I would love to see the persons responsible caught, but good luck with that.
As for the placement of the stand...it depends largely on the lay of the land. It is not uncommon to place a stand on/near a property line with the intent of hunting down the property line or shooting solely away from the property line. Even over/onto the neighboring property WITH WRITTEN PERMISSION. I don't know your particular situation...so I won't comment on that...but typically it is considered 'bad form' to place a stand very near a properly line. Not illegal...of course, but can cause hard feelings between property owners.
Since no further incidents have occurred and several years have passed...you might consider just 'letting it go' and move on. The Warden at this point certainly has no interest in it...nor would I expect him to. Continue calling and dwelling on it if it makes you feel better.