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by C-dub
Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:54 pm
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Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
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Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

Keith B wrote:
C-dub wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:The law is that you have to be 21 to purchase handgun ammunition, the same as to purchase a handgun. That is why a lot of sales people ask a young person if they are buying 22 ammo for a rifle. If they are buying it for a handgun the sales clerk cannot sell it to them. BATFE stipulates that a person must be over 21 to purchase handgun ammunition.
Okay, but what is the law on possession of handgun ammo? IDK, but it is legal for an 18y old to possess a handgun. I would guess that it is also legal for an 18y old to possess the ammo since it is also legal for an 18y old to have that handgun in their home for self defense or concealed in their car. If they can't purchase it, how did they come to possess it? This is the hole of which I'm eluding to.
There are laws for licensed dealers and individuals that differ. The Youth Handgun Safety Act http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/d ... 5300-2.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; says a 'person' may not transfer or sell a handgun or ammo to be used in a handgun if the recipient is under 18. The GCA states that a licensee may not sell a handgun or ammo for a handgun to anyone under 21 https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/licens ... -employees" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, bottom line, an individual who is not a licensed dealer may sell or transfer a handgun or handgun ammo to someone who is 18, but a licensee cannot sell or transfer to them if under 21.
Thanks for the reference Keith.

This all fits into my point. Why is walmart concerned with me doing something that is legal for me to do? It shouldn't be of any concern of theirs. Maybe they don't understand all this.
by C-dub
Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
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Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

MeMelYup wrote:The law is that you have to be 21 to purchase handgun ammunition, the same as to purchase a handgun. That is why a lot of sales people ask a young person if they are buying 22 ammo for a rifle. If they are buying it for a handgun the sales clerk cannot sell it to them. BATFE stipulates that a person must be over 21 to purchase handgun ammunition.
Okay, but what is the law on possession of handgun ammo? IDK, but it is legal for an 18y old to possess a handgun. I would guess that it is also legal for an 18y old to possess the ammo since it is also legal for an 18y old to have that handgun in their home for self defense or concealed in their car. If they can't purchase it, how did they come to possess it? This is the hole of which I'm eluding to.
by C-dub
Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:53 pm
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Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
Replies: 56
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Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

MeMelYup wrote:
C-dub wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:
sbrawley wrote:
C-dub wrote:I was just thinking about something else. I don't know why they would or should care about anyone except the person doing the purchasing. I have purchased ammo often with my daughter and they haven't once questioned me about that. And we have even mentioned that WE were on our way to the range and that she was also going to shoot. It shouldn't matter since I am her parent and over 21. So, it also shouldn't matter for anyone else as long as the purchaser is legally able to purchase the ammo.
This is what we all said. My wife even tried explaining what if we all left and the friend came back to purchase. The basically said they wouldn't sell it to her that day because they know she is with a group. I'm not going to be buying my ammo from WalMart again, there's always Gander Mtn or Academy that will appreciate my business.
What is a straw purchase?
I don't think that applies to ammo.
If you have a person that looks about 21 and wants to buy 9mm ammo, but claims that he doesn't hve a license on him. This person gets another to try and buy the ammo for him. Would you sell ammo to the person knowing that it is for the person that looks about 21 and doesn't have ID? What would be the fine if it's a set up?
That makes sense and I understand the reasoning. I just don't know if the mere possession of ammo is prohibited by someone under 21y. If there are two friends going to the range and they are a few months apart in age with one being 21y and the other being 20y, what difference does it make? The 20y old can legally possess the firearm that can shoot the ammo he can't legally purchase. I guess my point is whether or not it is or should be up to the store to be making those types of judgments when someone can prove they are over 21y and can legally purchase the ammo. If so, then I should I not be able to purchase ammo if my 13y daughter is with me?

Maybe there is a hole in the laws? An 18y old cannot legally purchase and handgun, but can possess one. What good is that if they are unable to purchase the ammo?
by C-dub
Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:11 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
Replies: 56
Views: 2789

Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

MeMelYup wrote:
sbrawley wrote:
C-dub wrote:I was just thinking about something else. I don't know why they would or should care about anyone except the person doing the purchasing. I have purchased ammo often with my daughter and they haven't once questioned me about that. And we have even mentioned that WE were on our way to the range and that she was also going to shoot. It shouldn't matter since I am her parent and over 21. So, it also shouldn't matter for anyone else as long as the purchaser is legally able to purchase the ammo.
This is what we all said. My wife even tried explaining what if we all left and the friend came back to purchase. The basically said they wouldn't sell it to her that day because they know she is with a group. I'm not going to be buying my ammo from WalMart again, there's always Gander Mtn or Academy that will appreciate my business.
What is a straw purchase?
I don't think that applies to ammo.
by C-dub
Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:45 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
Replies: 56
Views: 2789

Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

VMI77 wrote:
BeanCounter wrote:Several years ago my son noticed that a shipment of the ever elusive 22 ammo had arrived at WallyWorld. Being the dutiful son he snagged a few boxes and headed to the register to pay. The cashier immediately calls him out for being under 21. (She knew this information because they were friends and employees at Walmart.)

Noticing the debate between employees at the register the store manager walks over. The dutiful son in his best salesman voice holds up the box of ammo and reads to the assembled crowd of Walmart employees…. “This is 22 long RIFLE ammunition. It does not say anything about pistols!”

The manager and cashier carefully examine each box to make sure its “RIFLE” ammo. The dutiful son chuckled all the way home.
The cash registers at Walmart used to be programmed to prompt the cashier to ask if 22 ammo was for a rifle or a handgun and I used to get asked this question every time I bought 22 ammo. I don't know when that stopped but haven't noticed it lately. Then again, it's been a long time since I've found any 22 at Walmart.
At least some of the registers still are programmed that way. I see the question prompted sometimes. Then, of course, there's the application of those policies. Some do exactly as trained and ask for the ID and others that know better or don't really care just input a date that is more than 21 years ago and move along if the purchaser is obviously over 21. It really doesn't bother me since they are not recording any other piece of information to link my birth date to me. Well, other than the fact that I just used my debit card to purchase that ammo most of the time. We've all talked about it before, but there are some of us that are already on so many "lists" that this is no big deal.
by C-dub
Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:44 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
Replies: 56
Views: 2789

Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

I was just thinking about something else. I don't know why they would or should care about anyone except the person doing the purchasing. I have purchased ammo often with my daughter and they haven't once questioned me about that. And we have even mentioned that WE were on our way to the range and that she was also going to shoot. It shouldn't matter since I am her parent and over 21. So, it also shouldn't matter for anyone else as long as the purchaser is legally able to purchase the ammo.
by C-dub
Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:06 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Does WalMart have a new policy?
Replies: 56
Views: 2789

Re: Does WalMart have a new policy?

I have occasionally been asked for ID at Walmart when buying ammo. Their registers are setup to ask for an age and requires a birth date to get through that. IIRC, it is only for handgun ammo. If your stuff was being purchased all together I don't see how they were going to enter more than one date if that was their reasoning. The times I have not been asked for ID the person just entered a random date that is more tan 21y ago. The times I have been asked for ID they have never recorded any information more than just birth date.

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