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by C-dub
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:18 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

In order to use deadly force don't there have to be justifications?

Whether she intended to kill or stop the "intruder" she did intend to use deadly force. Her justification is that she thought she was in her apartment. She wasn't. If she had been we wouldn't be discussing this at all. So,we'll have to wait and see if the jury believes her and if that makes a difference.
by C-dub
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:53 pm
C-dub wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:43 pm
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/mansl ... -592469274
While details about why Guyger was charged with manslaughter, specifically, have not been revealed, here's a breakdown of what a manslaughter charge means in Texas:

• A criminal homicide is charged as manslaughter when a person "recklessly causes the death of another individual," according to the Texas penal code. The charge is a second-degree felony, punishable by two to 20 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine. A prosecutor does not have to prove intent or premeditation to earn a manslaughter conviction.

• Manslaughter is a lesser charge than murder, which is a first-degree felony. According to the penal code, murder is committed when a person "intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual," or "intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits and act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual."

• Manslaughter is a stiffer charge than criminally negligent homicide, a state jail felony that is committed when a person "causes the death of an individual by criminal negligence," according to the penal code.
Bold red emphasis is mine. It seems to fit to me. Will her defense that she believed Jean was an intruder into her apartment? We'll have to wait and see. Ear witnesses seem to contradict her statements so far.
Well if a cop doesn't know that shooting a person will cause death, nobody does. According to the bold type, she knowingly caused the death of the man. Her excuse for it does not come close to being justification.
I don't think so either, but we'll see.
by C-dub
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/mansl ... -592469274
While details about why Guyger was charged with manslaughter, specifically, have not been revealed, here's a breakdown of what a manslaughter charge means in Texas:

• A criminal homicide is charged as manslaughter when a person "recklessly causes the death of another individual," according to the Texas penal code. The charge is a second-degree felony, punishable by two to 20 years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine. A prosecutor does not have to prove intent or premeditation to earn a manslaughter conviction.

• Manslaughter is a lesser charge than murder, which is a first-degree felony. According to the penal code, murder is committed when a person "intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual," or "intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits and act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual."

• Manslaughter is a stiffer charge than criminally negligent homicide, a state jail felony that is committed when a person "causes the death of an individual by criminal negligence," according to the penal code.
Bold red emphasis is mine. It seems to fit to me. Will her defense that she believed Jean was an intruder into her apartment? We'll have to wait and see. Ear witnesses seem to contradict her statements so far.
by C-dub
Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:40 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

skeathley wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:29 pm
I think the charge should be manslaughter. She made a terrible mistake, and should go to prison, but if she had been at her apartment, we wouldn't be having this debate. It was a mistake that many people might make, but was not intentional murder. Mistakes in judgement do not qualify. The main reason they charged murder was because he was black, and it is likely she did not know that when she shot.
Her mistake, if it was a legitimate mistake, was not being in her own residence. However, she did intend on using deadly force, which if I understand correctly would warrant a murder charge. The other facts might include exceptions to that and I think that will be the only way she avoids prison if that is possible. A couple of the witness accounts seem to contradict Guyger's account and maybe there is other evidence that also contradicts her account that the public is unaware of yet.

On a side note, I also believe Dallas' outgoing DA has/had a racial and police bias in going after this officer because of some of the things she has said on camera. That still doesn't change the facts of the case and that we also still don't know all of them and might never.
by C-dub
Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:13 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

I was listening to Rick Roberts on the radio while out picking up my daughter. He has a problem with the murder indictment and thinks it should only be manslaughter.

Maybe he should read this forum and thread.
by C-dub
Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:25 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/speci ... -619078538
Fired cop Amber Guyger indicted on a murder charge in Botham Jean killing
by C-dub
Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

I really don't know which way this one is going to go for the officer. There have been incidents within the past several years where people have gone to the wrong home and ended up being killed by the homeowner and the homeowner was not charged. Police have even gone to the wrong house on those no-knock warrants and killed pets or killed or wounded people without being charged.

This one is HORRIBLE for everyone no matter which way you look at it.

Regarding not noticing things like a red door mat or whatever, I've driven home from various places and a few times I can remember shutting my truck off in my driveway and then not remembering which way I came home. Did I stop at that light or did I go a different route? That hasn't happened for several years, but it really freaked me out when it did happen.
by C-dub
Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:06 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 180
Views: 11699

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Killadocg23 wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:16 pm
Apparently news is going round that the guy killed and the cop actually knew each other and had “dated” before. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve read and seen it several places.
Where have you heard or seen that?

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