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by puma guy
Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:57 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
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Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one New trial motion denied

Hannah Gutierrez's motion for a new trial is denied as well as release before sentencing.


by puma guy
Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:35 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
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Views: 63989

Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one Rust Amorer found guilty

Hannah Gutierrez has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in NM VS Hannah Gutierrez. She was the armorer on the movie set of "Rust" the movie that Baldwin killed one person and injured another when the SA revolver he was handling discharged on the set. Sentencing date has not been set, but she is remanded into custody awaiting that date.

I watched some additional testimony and prosecutor evidence in the proceedings and was astounded to hear Gutierrez reply to a detectives question if she was a certified or trained firearms instructor to which she replied "I don't know." I watched the FBI being questioned by the prosecution and he eventually said the firearm probably had to have the trigger pulled to fire before he damaged it. In other words he never did a thorough test before beating on it with a mallet. Nothing in the incident indicated something had struck the hammer to make it discharge so I have to say again he's an idiot or trying cover for Baldwin for some reason. In one alarming video the defense had a firearm expert who uncased a SA pistol on the stand and waved it around without showing it empty and when the judge said he should check the pistol he held it with the barrel pointed toward the judge and the bailiff reached over and pushed it downward. He then denied he had done it. He must have received his training from Gutierrez.
by puma guy
Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:05 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
Replies: 209
Views: 63989

Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

Excaliber wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:31 am The question the FBI should have attempted to resolve is whether or not there was any way the gun could have fired while being held in one hand without pressing the trigger.

Whether or not it could fire if dropped or beaten with a hammer is irrelevant to the circumstances being investigated.

There are two possibilities here:

- The FBI sabotaged the case to the benefit of Alec Baldwin

- The current FBI firearms lab, which used to be a top notch outfit, is now just another part of Chris Wray's clown show.
The testimony of the FBI tester that they showed indicated to me he is an idiot. I haven't been able to find his entire testimony. That all the revolvers were brand new and functioned properly on the set prior to the incident belies the notion the gun would have gone off without pressure on the trigger. The forensic firearms expert showed that if a hammer slipped from the firing position it would catch on the half cock notch or safety cock notch UNLESS the trigger was depressed. Baldwin used the same firearms during the filming and Gutierrez exclusively engaged in handing him his weapons when called for. The First Assistant Director who was always part of the normal weapons safety check process plead no contest to a charge that he was negligently responsible. Gutierrez loaded the revolver with "dummies" out of his presence and she rotated the cylinder with the loading gate opened , but only showed 3-4 cartridge instead of fully rotating before handing it to Baldwin the second time. Regardless Baldwin shouldn't have been pointing the gun in the direction of persons and is responsible.
by puma guy
Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:38 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
Replies: 209
Views: 63989

Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

TxRVer wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:40 am
philip964 wrote: Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:15 pm https://ktla.com/entertainment/ap-grand ... ew-mexico/

Alec indicted by NM grand jury for involuntary manslaughter.

The fact that the gun was broken by the FBI during testing to me is problematic for the prosecution. After the gun was fixed it fired when the trigger was pulled. How do you break a gun testing to see if it fires when the trigger is pulled. Is the FBI covering for a liberal? Was it under orders?
The testing was to see if it would fire without pulling the trigger. They must have given it very rough treatment trying to get it to fire on it's own.
I've been watching the testimony in the trial of the "Rust" armorer Hannah Guiterrez (There's a lot) and this is a photo of the internals after the FBI demolished it. The Pietta reproduction SA revolver was brand new and was one of several purchased for the Rust production and had no issues during it's use on the set. An expert testified that the testing had produced the damage and had microscopic photos showing the damaged sear notch. the trigger also is broker as well as the cylinder block I'm not a fan of Baldwin but the lax behavior and introduction of live rounds lies solely on Guiterrez.The revolver would not have gone off without a trigger pull. Baldwin is definitely guilty of at least negligent homicide for pointing the weapon at someone and pulling that trigger, but the tragedy was set up by ridiculously lax procedures on the set. Gutierrez was the only armorer that handed Baldwin any weapon when he needed it on the set.
It also appears that the armorer got rid of evidence. She stated there were two boxes of dummy rounds when first confronted by LEO and they saw the two, but she only submitted a single box. Gutierrez also handed a production staffer a bag of what that person to a certainty was likely cocaine ( about the same amount as 4-5 sugar packets) and later emailed that staffer that she wanted her "stuff" back. That was the only thing the staffer had received. She threw it away immediately after she saw what it was because she is a recovering addict and her past would have put her in legal jeopardy if she was found in possession of any drugs. There was testimony that Gutierrez took a child to a range for training against the direstors wishes. I believe that's how she got live rounds mixed with the blanks and dummies and even some molded fake cartridges that are just foer show in a gun belt.There were loose rounds in a Mary Kay bag owned by Gutierrez, that how lax she was. During her interview with detectives she didn't even know that one company who supplied components didn't make loaded ammunition only case and she yelled "what the 'f word that can't be used here'. Those molded cartridges have a distinct name I can't recall, but will not fit in a chamber.
In the photos it shows the sear notch rounded off, the trigger broken and the cylinder lock or block ear broken as well. If all this damage had originally been on the pistol it would have been noticed. The expert who testified and tested the revolver with the damaged and with new parts stated the pistol worked perfectly with the new parts installed. The FBI tester beat the hammer with a mallet, that's why it's damaged and broken. The notch for on an undamaged SA hammer trigger sear is shallow, but it was stout enough the catch the trigger sear and break it off the trigger at some point before the hammer notch was completely rounded.

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by puma guy
Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:09 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
Replies: 209
Views: 63989

Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

Chemist45 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:49 pm Oooops!
Baldwin admitted he "Fired the gun".
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/01/31 ... ng-n696904

That's gonna be hard to walk back.
Yep!
by puma guy
Mon May 02, 2022 4:16 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one
Replies: 209
Views: 63989

Re: NM: Hand gun with trigger pulled by Alec Baldwin in rehearsal kills one injures one

philip964 wrote: Mon May 02, 2022 3:30 pm A video has come out showing his finger on the trigger.
Oh! No! Say it isn't so! :lol:

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