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by Liberty
Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:03 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Close call with Glock
Replies: 87
Views: 42111

Re: Close call with Glock

treadlightly wrote:
Liberty wrote: The fly in the ointment with a plan such as this is that Some safeties snick up to go off, and some down to go off. My 3 carry guns all work the same way snick up to fire. This is the main reason I will not own a 1911. If someone uses and trains with a 1911, and decides to carry a Beretta, any immediate call to use the available handgun could be a disaster.
This, actually, is an anti-safety argument I can understand. Up-to-fire, to me, would be a problem. If it's natural for a shooter, that's a fine thing. It's not for me.

I grip a 1911 with my thumb on top of the safety and it never moves from there. It's not an extra step to select "fire", it's an extra step to leave it in (cough) "safe" until the muzzle is downrange of my weak hand. That's the step I practice, the phase of the draw where I consciously don't take the gun off safe.

Taking the gun off safety is very natural to me, as long as it's down-to-fire and a nice comfortable thumb rest.

Up-to-fire, to my spinal cord, sounds like extra motion. When the hand is increasing its grip on the gun the thumb naturally wants to come down.

I get this anti-safety argument and I never figured I'd say that. I'm wired for down-to-fire with a method that requires no thumb choreography. Up-to-fire, or a slide mounted safety lever I couldn't ride all the time - not consistent with my wiring. I wouldn't carry a gun built that way because I'm not built, muscle memory-wise, in a compatible manner.
I don't think either way is more natural. It is all on what we are used to and have trained for. My guns have the safety on the slide. higher up than on a 1911 or similar safeties. Snicking it up with my thumb has become very natural and automatic on the draw, done before even clearing leather. I don't think that slide mounted or body mounted is the naturally better way, It's all on what you are used to and what you train for.

The only thing that really bothers be though is that my prefered style of gun is becoming obsolete. That of the DA/SA hammer fired handgun with slide mounted safety has lost favor, to striker fired junk. and 1911 jewelboxes.
by Liberty
Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:41 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Close call with Glock
Replies: 87
Views: 42111

Re: Close call with Glock

Soccerdad1995 wrote:To use my gun, I need to draw it from the holster, keep my finger off the trigger, take up my sight picture, put my finger on the trigger, and pull the trigger. If it has a safety, I also need to ensure that my method of drawing the gun and taking a grip deactivates that safety. I want to make sure that I can do all of these things naturally, and without thinking, while I am in a high stress situation. So I practice. Ad nauseum. I am confident that when I take my grip during the draw, my thumb will come down and apply pressure to the top of the safety before coming to rest on top of the safety lever. The reason I am confident is because that is exactly where it goes every single time I draw my gun. And every single time I take a firing grip at the range even if I am not practicing my draw, even if I am using a gun that does not have a thumb safety.

I would no sooner "forget" to deactivate the safety than I would "forget" to take the gun out of the holster, or to acquire a sight picture, or even to pull the trigger. There is actually a greater chance of forgetting to do any of those other things because they are things that I actively do as opposed to my thumb position which is a natural result of gripping the gun in my hand.
The fly in the ointment with a plan such as this is that Some safeties snick up to go off, and some down to go off. My 3 carry guns all work the same way snick up to fire. This is the main reason I will not own a 1911. If someone uses and trains with a 1911, and decides to carry a Beretta, any immediate call to use the available handgun could be a disaster.
by Liberty
Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:09 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Close call with Glock
Replies: 87
Views: 42111

Re: Close call with Glock

tbryanh wrote: Other DA/SA pistols that have safeties instead of decockers add complexity to operating the pistol. In an urgent situation, you can forget to take off the safety, then when you are unable to pull the trigger, your mind might go blank at that point as to what the problem is. This is why I stay away from pistols that have safeties.

The heavy trigger pull on the first shot makes up for not having a safety.
I see where you are coming from, I do maintain that its how you train. If you practice your draw a correctly with the typical SA/DA the safety will always be off before your handgun is in a low ready position.
by Liberty
Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:51 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Close call with Glock
Replies: 87
Views: 42111

Re: Close call with Glock

There is nothing wrong with a good nylon holster either. With a DA/SA Inside the waste it is practical and safe. It won't rip ones own personal hide to shreds like Kydex. nor irritate quite like tanned leather. . Although speedy holstering isn't going to happen. Disarming does involve removing both holster and handgun, but a good holster shouldn't ever be drawn with the handgun if properly worn,,,, A good belt is essential.

Everything is an engineering tradeoff. Complexity reliability, convienience. Trainining , Ease of use. There is no one answer for everyone.
No best handgun. No best holster rig, not even best training. A combinition of things though can make us pretty well prepared.
by Liberty
Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:15 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Close call with Glock
Replies: 87
Views: 42111

Re: Close call with Glock

tbryanh wrote:I also feel the Sig is the safest pistol out there. That is why I chose it.
Is there a reason why? Just wondering there are lots of DA/SA with hammers, and it my platform of choice. Is there a reason that this design is safer than others... The one thing that does differentiate the M11-1A from similar handguns is that it has a decocker instead of a safety.

Just curious.

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