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BrianSW99 wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:To clarify, I didn't mean that we shouldn't ask for written permission. I just think that the number of times permission will be granted will be near 0. I do think that, depending on the political climate, a university employee should consider whether it's a good idea to ask permission and whether it might bring unwanted attention.

I must agree that the granting will most likely be zero. Is there any documentation where students in the past have requested permission to carry on the premises? Is there any documentation as to whether the requests have been approved or denied? This kind of documentation would be invaluable if a lawsuite were instituted for some reason (rape, mugging, etc.). This documentation would also be invaluable as reasoning for legislation.

I agree that a university employee would have to carefully pick and choose if the timing is right for soliciting CHL permission.

Maybe a rubber gun would be much and I have to agree that TAM's idea of a scroll in the holster is reasonable. Isn't that the idea of this forum to throw out ideas and discuss if they are good or bad, and what might work:

I don't have any information on students requesting permission, but I do know of another employee at the university where I work that did ask permission and was denied.

Brian

The request and answer, was it written or verbal? What was the reason given for denial?

BrianSW99 wrote:To clarify, I didn't mean that we shouldn't ask for written permission. I just think that the number of times permission will be granted will be near 0. I do think that, depending on the political climate, a university employee should consider whether it's a good idea to ask permission and whether it might bring unwanted attention.

I must agree that the granting will most likely be zero. Is there any documentation where students in the past have requested permission to carry on the premises? Is there any documentation as to whether the requests have been approved or denied? This kind of documentation would be invaluable if a lawsuite were instituted for some reason (rape, mugging, etc.). This documentation would also be invaluable as reasoning for legislation.

I agree that a university employee would have to carefully pick and choose if the timing is right for soliciting CHL permission.

Maybe a rubber gun would be much and I have to agree that TAM's idea of a scroll in the holster is reasonable. Isn't that the idea of this forum to throw out ideas and discuss if they are good or bad, and what might work:

BrianSW99 wrote:I understand the thought behind it, but I'm not sure openly wearing rubber guns would really help our cause. I don't think that type of confrontation is the way to reach the people who are opposed to it. I think it would perpetuate the idea that we're all kinda crazy.

I also suspect that not even the university presidents, as autonomous as they are, really have the power to grant written authorization to CHLs, especially not in any great number; particularly the public universities. They still have to answer to the board of regents, and I don't know of any who are in favor of campus carry.

Brian

The idea behind it is, why are people not afraid of police with guns? They are expected to have them. People that fear others that carry a gun are not afraid of a police officer, so why be afraid of the person standing beside you. Oh, it's a rubber gun he can't hurt me. Perpetuating the idea that we are all kind of crazy, define the opositions idea of GUN NUT. I think we are all kind of crazy, that is what makes the world go around.

Don't ask is a sheep response. In this case we don't care if they are in favor or not a response is what is being solicited. Besides, if you don't ask, the answer is no. "The only dumb question is the one not asked."

Next school year Students for Concealed Carry on Campus should wear a holster with a rubber gun in it to all their classes. Every month change out for a new one of a different color so that It becomes common for a difference. This will get fellow students and teachers use to seeing students with guns and they will grow to pay no attention to them. If they (faculty or students) objest to the holsters with rubber guns, ask them why they object, why are they trying to curtail your 1st Amendment right to freedom of speach and expression, your right to peacefully protest. Wearing the holster like his will solve 2 problems, it will get the fellow students and facalty use to people with guns so they will ignore them and people that "fear that someone beside them might have a gun" will loose that fear.

Need to work on a fill in the blanks form letter requesting from the appropriate authority that one be allowed to CHL carry on the premises of the college. If your parents carry request authorization for each parent to carry on premises also (a seperate letter for each person). This letter would serve multiple purposes. It would notify the board how many students (parents) would like to carry and would carry if approved. There RBI's would be enlightening as to the reasoning for allowing, or not allowing, the granting of CHL carry on premises. This information could be used next legislative session.