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Russell wrote:

They absolutely do! I went to a town hall meeting they held in 2015 in prep for open carry... primarily for LEOs but open to the public. Quite a few officers and residents showed up. I was the only LTC instructor in the room. In reviewing the laws churches, hospitals and liquor stores were off limits... no sign needed. Several folks, including LEOs, questioned their interpretation. The only response we received was "in Waller County you'll be prosecuted".

Unbelievable. I would not have been able to keep my mouth shut and probably would have ended up getting kicked out of that meeting.

That's one of those things where you challenge it on purpose in order to force it into court just to spite the local law enforcement.

rob777 wrote:

SewTexas wrote:

C-dub wrote:That Waller County DA can't even get it right in his press release. He still thinks that hospitals are off limits. I would be very worried about what else they are educating people about.

probably still thinks churches are too.

They absolutely do! I went to a town hall meeting they held in 2015 in prep for open carry... primarily for LEOs but open to the public. Quite a few officers and residents showed up. I was the only LTC instructor in the room. In reviewing the laws churches, hospitals and liquor stores were off limits... no sign needed. Several folks, including LEOs, questioned their interpretation. The only response we received was "in Waller County you'll be prosecuted".

C-dub wrote:That Waller County DA can't even get it right in his press release. He still thinks that hospitals are off limits. I would be very worried about what else they are educating people about.

Papa_Tiger wrote:

ELB wrote:

KLB wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:My understanding is that Waller County posted signs citing 46.03 and 46.035 not 30.06 or signs referring to a chl. If that is the case those signs might pass legal muster for avoiding a fine.

You're pointing out a flaw in 411.209 that has concerned me all along.

As I recall, the AG opined that a sign does not have to be a 30.06/30.07 sign, nor need there even be a sign. If a government entity tries to bar a license holder from carrying in an area he is legally entitled to carry in, then the governmental entity is doing so illegally.

The excluded communication includes oral notice per GC 411.209. It doesn't matter what their sign says if they have a security guard at the secured entrance backing it up orally. The crux of the matter is that they want "Premises" to mean "building" when referring to any structure that houses a court or office utilized by the court, whereas the Texas AG has defined it more narrowly as the "portion of building" that is the actual courtroom or office (See KP-0047 and KP-0049).