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terryg wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:A lot of the time, I appreciate what you have to say. This time, I don't and here is why. I don't care about the statistics in regards to whether or not each school is made safer as a whole. I am not an LEO and I am not going to "secure" the school. ...

warhorse10_9 wrote: srothstein, you are falling into the same trap the legislature fell into this last session. They made it about campus safety and not personal safety a person's right to it. ...

Guys, I think you should go back and re-read srothstein's posting. He did not actually take any position on the subject or try to make it about campus safety. He was merely commenting on possible statistical fallacies of using the figures in the Cato Study presented by RoyGBiv. He was essentially cautioning that the figures in the studies, as presented, might not paint a completely accurate picture. The same concerns went through my mind as I read the Cato post - or at least some of the same concerns ... i.e. how did the population change, the culture of the varying schools.

RoyGBiv was making an argument about campus security. srothstein merely cautioned that using the data in isolation may not be a statistically sound way to support that argument. He didn't say one way or the other that he supported it. In fact, my take away from his final statement was that he probably does not favor using campus security as an argument for campus carry.

Heartland Patriot wrote:A lot of the time, I appreciate what you have to say. This time, I don't and here is why. I don't care about the statistics in regards to whether or not each school is made safer as a whole. I am not an LEO and I am not going to "secure" the school. I don't care about anything in that regard except being armed to have the potential to protect myself and those around me that I choose to protect (family, friends, etc) if a deadly force situation were to be encountered. I also know, though I obviously cannot prove, that the bad guys simply DO NOT CARE about any laws or policies restricting weapon possession on a college campus, and the signs that tell them about said policy. That automatically puts me at a disadvantage against them, IF they decide that the institute of higher learning I am attending is the one where they want to initiate violence. I was deemed responsible enough to be "granted" a concealed carry license...do they really think that I automatically and instantly become irresponsible the minute I set foot on a college campus? I cannot even keep it in my vehicle because if it were discovered by some unfortunate accident, I could be kicked out of school and my academic career (and perhaps future employment) ruined. I understand the need for 30.06 because private property is important...but the institute I attend is PUBLIC. I am law-abiding and licensed to carry a concealed handgun. That should be enough.