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by CJD
Thu May 16, 2013 6:35 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)

J.R.@A&M wrote:Whitmire just said this if HB 972 version doesn't pass, then "more than likely, if we're back in a special session, then the previous version will be presented."
Would it be better to wait because this could be true and we could get a better bill? Or better to try for 972 so at least we may get something? My gut tells me take what we can get, but it would be disappointing to settle when we could have a better bill.
by CJD
Tue May 14, 2013 7:13 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote:Does this bill still need 21 votes to consider by the full senate (even though it was passed by the House)
Yes.

Chas.
Does this make it have a dim outlook?
by CJD
Tue May 14, 2013 9:23 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

2firfun50 wrote:
Bladed wrote:
terryg wrote:baldeagle points out the 30.06 postings would still apply.
Per Rep. Fletcher's description of the amended bill at third reading, nothing in the bill (as passed by the House) would allow a public college or university to post 30.06 on campus buildings. The relevant language is in the amended Penal Code. The amended Government Code has no bearing on a public college's ability to post 30.06, only on a public college's ability to create administrative policies (which do not have force of criminal law). Nothing in the amended Penal Code would exempt a public college from the "governmental entity" restriction created by PC 30.06(e).
Folks let us not forget about HB508. "Government entities" do indeed improperly post 30.06 signs. Without HB508, which may be dead, government entities, including public universities may indeed post whatever they like without fear of punishment and the uninformed won't know any better. Just because the informed know the signs are invalid, doesn't mean the general public, or even campus LEO's, know.

In my humble opionion, we must have both HB972 (its a start) and HB508. If we don't, we'll have a tread about universities improperly posting 30.06.
In fact, it almost seems these bills were made for each other. I've been pushing 508 heavily. I don't see any indication that it's dead, however. It's moving about the same pace as 972.
by CJD
Sat May 11, 2013 10:09 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

GEM-Texas wrote:
“The House bill allows public universities to opt out, and allows private schools to opt in, so the presidents of each campus can make the decision. That’s better than (state Sen. Brian) Birdwell’s bill that doesn’t allow that. “
IMHO - this will make the bill meaningless. The vast majority of schools will opt out. The discussions will be pro forma. Staff will not go against antigun administrations.

Also, future attempts to have carry in the future where an antigun president cannot decide for all will be blocked. The option program will be seen as 'reasonable'. The opposition to carry was unreasonable and that's why a legislative mandate was need to override administrations at colleges.

I might be wrong but I don't see this as much use given what I know of administrations.

I am not in favor of administrators decided my basic rights. It should be the realm of the legislative process.
This bill decriminalized carry on public campuses! HUGE step!
by CJD
Thu May 09, 2013 8:52 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

Hopefully this is true, and he'll give it the chance it deserves!
by CJD
Thu May 09, 2013 2:05 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

It is better than being against the law IMHO.
:iagree:
by CJD
Thu May 09, 2013 12:20 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

NEB wrote:Honestly, there is a difference in being expelled and getting fired. It's easier to get someone to take your money than it is to convince someone to give you some.

As a faculty member (you can probably guess where), it is frustrating to not be able to carry. This bill might allow me to do so within the confines of the law, but the penalties for getting "caught" would be pretty prohibitive. That's a really tough call to make.

--NEB
True. My thoughts are this: some say it's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6, but the situation about which we are speaking is even less severe, so the choice should be even more apparent. That is only if you buy into the first statement, however.
by CJD
Wed May 08, 2013 5:22 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

Bladed wrote:
CJD wrote:
baldeagle wrote:So it's no longer illegal but they can still prohibit it. And as an employee I could be fired for violating policy. And that's called progress? {{{sigh}}} My gun still stays in the car, and I'm not better off than I was before this law was passed (if indeed it is passed.)
Why would you leave it in the car? Under what circumstances would they ever know you had it, unless you had to use it (better that you had it) or you get stopped by police on campus (not illegal so unless they report you to the university, which I don't see why they would because it's none of their business) then you should be fine.
I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable giving someone this type of advice. Deciding to jeopardize one's career/livelihood is a very serious, very personal decision.

On one hand, you have the possibility that you might need a handgun for self-defense. On the other hand, you have the possibility that a coworker might spot your handgun and report you. That's a decision not to be taken lightly.

Also, I wouldn't assume that campus police won't be instructed to report anyone caught on campus with a firearm. At most major universities, the campus police work for the university.
Fair enough. And it is a personal decision, I guess I was just saying that's what I would do. If it wasn't illegal I'd carry at A&M right now, even risking expulsion.
by CJD
Wed May 08, 2013 3:58 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

baldeagle wrote:So it's no longer illegal but they can still prohibit it. And as an employee I could be fired for violating policy. And that's called progress? {{{sigh}}} My gun still stays in the car, and I'm not better off than I was before this law was passed (if indeed it is passed.)
Why would you leave it in the car? Under what circumstances would they ever know you had it, unless you had to use it (better that you had it) or you get stopped by police on campus (not illegal so unless they report you to the university, which I don't see why they would because it's none of their business) then you should be fine.
by CJD
Wed May 08, 2013 3:11 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

They can prohibit it in their rules, but they could not make it "illegal" as I understand it.
by CJD
Wed May 08, 2013 2:11 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: Update: Support HB972 - debate tomorrow (5/14)
Replies: 82
Views: 8752

Re: Support HB972 - not a dud!

But how would a public university opt out, when they can't post 30.06 because they are a governmental entity?

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