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Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:39 pm Ok I am good with one state solution with citizenship rights for all Palestinians

So what? When are you going to acknowledge that the ONLY issue preventing that is fundamental Islamic terrorism?

You never answer the question, you always sidestep and simply keep repeating your formulaic rhetoric. It becomes a very disappointing and tedious discussion when you refuse to debate the real issue.

I know that you can do better if you so choose.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:18 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:14 pm

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:18 pm Bitter, Isreal state has to either give the Arabs land back and recognize the right of Palestinians or there is no peace.
If you think this will never happen in our lifetime, then give the Palestinian under occupation the same rights of all other Isaeli citizens

We have already covered this ground in this post. Repeating it will not make it true.

So you never expressed your best solution for Palestine. I am afraid you are with extreme right wing group calling for deportation all Palestinians from their home land

My solution, which I have already stated, is for the Arabs to put down their homemade shrapnel exploding rockets, suicide vests, knives and terror tunnels and join modernity at which time Israel will welcome them with open arms. But until they stop trying to murder the Jews and "push them into the sea" how can there be any peace? Peace for the Palestinian Arabs is the equivalent of the Nazi "Juden rein". As for "deportation" that is a false construct with no basis in fact, past or present.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:07 pm See the wall of seperation, the never ending Palestinian homes demolition and the expansion of settlements on Arabs land

It is Israel's policy to bull doze the homes of terrorists as a deterrent. But the Palestinian terrorists receive money from Iran (much of it the cash gifted by Obama) and they pay each terrorist and the family of the terrorist a stipend for life. Killing Jews is good business for the Palestinian Arabs.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:18 pm Bitter, Isreal state has to either give the Arabs land back and recognize the right of Palestinians or there is no peace.
If you think this will never happen in our lifetime, then give the Palestinian under occupation the same rights of all other Isaeli citizens

We have already covered this ground in this post. Repeating it will not make it true.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm

mojo84 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:56 pm www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content ... 049d06439c

Is the land in Israel? Do the Palestinians recogognize Israel as a sovereign state? If so, do the Palestinians/Arabs that live there recognize the sovereignty of Israel and agree to live by the country's laws? Or, do they still claim it is Palestinian and the Israelis are just illegal occupiers?

I cannot give you an answer, only those who where living under occupation for 52 years have the answer.

And yet you have been answering as if you know. The Palestinian Arabs do NOT recognize Israel's right to exists and they claim that ALL of Israel, 100% is "occupied territory". The Arabs will only be satisfied when they have murdered every last Jew. And then they will turn on each other, again.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:00 pm

mojo84 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:56 pm www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content ... 049d06439c

Is the land in Israel? Do the Palestinians recogognize Israel as a sovereign state? If so, do the Palestinians/Arabs that live there recognize the sovereignty of Israel and agree to live by the country's laws? Or, do they still claim it is Palestinian and the Israelis are just illegal occupiers?

Under international law, all Arab lands captured after on July 6 1967 are occupied territories.

International Law, you mean like the UN? Give me a break.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:01 pm

mojo84 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm I have no problem with walls that deliniate the border of a country that is built to protect the sovereignty of the state and safety of its citizens.

Me too, unless the wall is being built in the west bank which is occupied Arab territories.

The wall was built because the Arab terrorists were shooting into Israel murdering innocent civilians.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:02 pm

bblhd672 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:38 pm A modern day Christian Templar (and Freemason) or he claims to be one.

And that has what to do with this thread about the legislator from Minnesota?

Maybe this is more relevant to the original post.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/21/us/p ... trump.html

Syria lost the Golan Heights to Israel in the '67 war. The Israelis turned that barren high ground, laden with Arab anti-personnel mines into a lush farming region where wonderful diary products and excellent wines, wines that rival those from the Bekka valley, are produced. It is not up for annexation by Hezbolah terrorists thank you very much.

The Golan Heights is a territory in Israel’s northeast corner, on the Syrian border. It’s rural, mountainous and mostly empty. Fewer than 50,000 people live there — less than 1 percent of Israel’s population of 8.7 million. Half of the Golan’s residents are Jewish Israelis who live mostly in small agricultural communities. The other half are from a religious group called the Druze, who are mostly citizens of Syria - that is correct, citizens of Syria live in Israel, and they do NOT want to go back to living under a ruthless, godless dictator! In addition to its stunning landscapes, the Golan holds strategic value for Israel as a high ground that overlooks the country’s north. If Israel were not in the Golan then Iran would be on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Check a map.

After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel took control of five territories. In the ensuing 52 years, it’s withdrawn from two — the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula, both in the south — with the goal of making peace. How did that turn out? Not so good. Gaza is a terrorist hot bed and Sinai, which is a beautiful desert with wonderful potential, sits idle and abandoned, with only an occasional terrorist incursion to break the monotony.

This thread contains all kinds of information regarding the geography and politics of the Middle east. One is entitle to their opinion, but one is not entitled to their own facts.

Oh, and BTW, let's get back on track here (although you will see in the nest post that I have already derailed myself again):

Ms. Omar is a naturalized citizen whose Somali refugee family settled in the U.S. when she was a teenager. Tens of thousands of Somali refugees relocated to the U.S.—some 25,000 in the Minneapolis area—to escape the starvation, famine and civil war that turned Somalia into a lawless, failed state in the early 1990s.

For a name worthy of recognition and remembrance, especially among Somali refugees, consider Lawrence Freedman. In 1992, the year after Ms. Omar’s family left Somalia, the U.S. sent troops there as part of a joint United Nations humanitarian effort. The U.S. intervention, Operation Restore Hope, began with the landing of U.S. troops near Mogadishu on Dec. 9.

Freedman was a U.S. Army veteran who earned two Bronze Stars in Vietnam. He was an original member of the Green Berets, reached the rank of sergeant major, and eventually became an instructor. He retired from the Army in 1990 and joined the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1992 the U.S. sent Freedman as part of an advance team to prepare the way for American troops in Somalia. On Dec. 23, two weeks after the troops had arrived, Freedman became the first American killed as part of the relief effort in Somalia.

Any American casualty is noteworthy, but Freedman’s sacrifice stands out because he was Jewish.

Thousands of Somali refugees who now live in Ms. Omar’s district had their freedom and security paid for with the blood of American soldiers—22 of them, including Freedman, a JEW.

mojo84 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:13 pm Not to minimize the seriousness of the dispute between the Jews and Muslims. It appears to me what we have is an ancient ongoing feud similar to the Hatfields and McCoys feud. Whatever the other one does, one will find it offensive and use it to justify offending the other.

At some point, both sides are going to have to agree to take the high road and accept that both have a right to exist and that it's time to get past the disagreement that erupted centuries ago. Otherwise, there will never be peace in the Middle East and the feud will continue to spread. I suspect as typical with most feuds, both sides have done their share of offending and both have endured their share of offense.

Hopefully, both sides will come to an agreement to move on and get past the grudges.

One must be careful not to fall into the trap of moral equivalency with respect to the Arab / Israeli conflict. Study the history.

Anyway, it is always the fault of the woman (tongue in cheek). First Sarai (Sarah) invited Abram (Abraham) to sleep with her handmaiden, Hagai (Hagar). Then after Sarah gave birth to Isaac, Sarah became jealous and had Hagai and her son by Abram, Ismael tossed out in the desert. Ismael became the forefather of the Arabs, Isaac the fore father of the Jews - so effectively half brothers. Of course Abram had just as much culpability as Sarah in all this. So we have been a huge dysfunctional family since forever. At least Abraham smashed those idols and brought us ALL monotheism.

omegaman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:53 am Amen bblhd672.

And God blessed us with a soul and a brain and the gift of speech, so that we might finish the work begun by him.

In the words of the prophet Isaiah; "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore."

We have the ability to bring peace, but to do do we must both denounce evil and pursue justice.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:39 am The puzzling fact, Muslims do love and cherish all the following Prophets and Messengers of God:
Listed by Islamic name and Biblical name.

ʾĀdam (Adam) ʾIdrīs (Enoch) Nūḥ (Noah) Hūd (Eber) Ṣāliḥ (Salah) ʾIbrāhīm (Abraham) Lūṭ (Lot) ʾIsmāʿīl (Ishmael) ʾIsḥāq (Isaac) Yaʿqūb (Jacob) Yūsuf (Joseph) Ayūb (Job) Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel) Shuʿayb (Jethro) Mūsā (Moses) Hārūn (Aaron) Dāūd (David) Sulaymān (Solomon) Yūnus (Jonah) ʾIlyās (Elijah) Alyasaʿ (Elisha) Zakarīya (Zechariah) Yaḥyā (John) ʿĪsā (Jesus) Muḥammad (Muhammad)

All well and good. But what matters is how we treat others in this life. We are commanded to love life, to hold human life sacred above all else, and to do until others as we would have others do unto us.

Omar's hate speech needs to be condemned by all Muslims. And Muslims should recognize the right of Israel to exist. Anything else is unacceptable. And if this were to happen, then we would no longer need to pray for peace, it would be peace in our time.

Beiruty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:17 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:09 pm

That photo is conflicting. SS would have shot here on spot if she was found in this formal dress.

Wishful thinking. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a Nazi ally. And the Mufti was the mentor of Yassar Arafat, murderer of innocent women and children.

The photo, obviously contrived, is meant to make a point. The point is that the Jew hatred that we see today eminating from Omar has it's roots in the same old Jew hatred that has existed since time immemorial and that reached it's last zenith in WWII.

Jewish voters are furious at Dems’ defense of Ilhan Omar

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jewish ... ilhan-omar

If this continues, this could also hurt Robert Frances and the other Socialist left wing liberal haters of America.