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Congresswoman Ilhan Omar: Terrorist.

Glenn Beck
Premiered Mar 11, 2019
Glenn takes a closer look at Representative Ilhan Omar, accusations made against her, and the relationship between CAIR and Hamas

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Beiruty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:53 pm
philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:58 am Jesus was a Jew.
Abraham was a Jew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_in_Islam

Abraham is a great prophet of Islam, Jesus as well.

The pilgrimage Muslims must take once in their lifetime to Mecca retraces the steps of Abraham.

We have much more in common than most believe.

Peace on Earth and goodwill to all men.
Muslims love all Prophets and Messangers of God from Adam, to Mohammed, peace be upon all of them. It is a matter of creed.

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OneGun wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:52 pm Did Omar launch rockets at Tel Aviv today?? I wonder if Hamas is inspired by Omar??

Pretty safe bet OneGun except that this time it was the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

In Major Escalation, Sirens, Explosions Heard, as Rockets Target Tel Aviv

Rocket sirens were triggered today in Tel Aviv, and residents reported hearing two explosions, as rockets targeted Israel's largest city, The Times of Israel reported. The IDF later confirmed that two projectiles had been launched from Gaza, the enclave to Israel's south that is controlled politically and militarily by the terror group, Hamas.

Medics have been treating Tel Aviv residents for shock in the aftermath of the rocket strikes. Hamas is reportedly evacuating personnel from their posts in anticipation of an Israeli response to the rocket attack.

According to reports, one rocket was intercepted by Israel's Iron Dome system, and the other landed in an open area. No injuries or significant damage were reported. It is the first time that the sirens have been activated in Tel Aviv since the end of Operation Protective Edge in 2014.

The Jerusalem Post reported that the two Fajr-5 rockets were fired toward Tel Aviv by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the second largest terror group in Gaza after Hamas. The Fajr-5 is an Iranian-built rocket that both PIJ and Hamas have used.

Last month, the IDF issued a report that found that the violent riots on Gaza's border with Israel were orchestrated by Hamas to cover for other military activity. According to the report, since last March, “over 1,300 rockets and mortars have been launched towards Israel, resulting in death and injury, property damage, psychological injury and economic harm.” The army report also found that the majority of the rockets were fired on Fridays and Saturdays, “immediately after mass violent riots.”

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We will not be rounded up and gassed this time:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273133 ... erie-sobel

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The Jews have no where else to go. The Palestinian Arabs wish to complete the unfinished work of the Nazi's and exterminate the Jews from the 0.4% of the land area that the Jews occupy in the otherwise virtually all Muslim Middle East.

The Arabs were aligned with the Nazis in WWII and like all extremist far left wing ideologies, and as we see here today in our own schools and universities, the Arabs know that they must first corrupt their own children and turn them into Jew murdering terrorists (like the Nazis did with the Hitler youth). Meanwhile the Israelis continue to provide advanced medical care to seriously ill Arab children who might otherwise perish.

One cannot witness this and deny the existence of both good and evil in the world.

Israeli Doctors Save Desperately Sick Palestinian Teen Despite Middle East Politics
http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/ar ... l?ID=23415

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Israel is surrounded by 22 Arab countries that are 640 times her size and contain 65 times her population. The Arabs have greater than 99% of the Middle East and complain that Israel is "occupying" their land! Without the West Bank which was recaptured from the Arabs in 1967, Israel would be only 9 miles wide at its narrowest point with the strategic high ground given over to her enemies, as it was after stopping the Arab invasion that occurred with independence from Britain in 1948.

13 Million inhabitants of Israel are surrounded by 2.1 Billion Muslims. In 2011 Israel was 75.4% Jewish, 20.6% Arab, and 4.1% minority groups.

There are far FEWER Palestinian "refugees" in the West Bank than there were Jewish refuges forced to flee their homes in Arab countries after 1948. The Arab population in Israel has grown since 1948, the Jewish population in Arab countries has declined to almost nothing.

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Beiruty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm Peace no Peace, the later means total surrender of the war and giving up the right to restore Palestine State that lived from 1918 till 1948.
I am not joking, Israel cannot keep colonizing Palestine while at the same time treat Palestinians civilians collectively as terrorists.
South Africa White only Government collapsed. Palestinians are human beings too and have the right to live freely and as humans. Israel should give them their 1stA rights

Jews have lived there since the destruction of the Second Temple. "Colonizing" is a propaganda term worthy of Ilhan Omar. Look up the British Mandate for "Palestine". And of course they are human beings, but their leadership is dooming them to a miserable life and they deserve both better leadership and the pursuit of happiness. Stop killing Jewish civilians, children and other innocents, recognize the right of Israel to exist, lay down the rockets, bombs, homidicide vests, destroy the terror tunnels and demonstrate the ability to live in peace. Then everything you have proposed would easily come to pass.

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And meanwhile, Jewish Millennials Launch A ‘Liberation Movement’ From The DemocRat Party

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44392/je ... osh-hammer

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Beiruty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:16 pm
MaduroBU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:53 pm I'll stand up and say that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians concerns me. The Palestinians have not made themselves a very sympathetic group, between atrocious leadership and bring used as an excuse to exterminate Jews by all of Israel's neighbors since 1948. Israel has a unique mandate as an ethno-state (something that we in the West wouldn't tolerate under virtually any other circumstance), but they're also a Western democracy. They're also unqiue in that the religious and political climates of their neighbors put them in a strategic position that we cannot understand in the West. Giving up Golan would put all of Northern Israel (including Tel Aviv) in Syrian artillery range, while giving up the West Bank would make a 9 mile wide strip of land connecting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. If you live in Texas you think "Who cares?". If you have relatives who remember how they maintained 10:1 kill ratios in wadis along the Golan to save the country, those strategic and tactical considerations are very real. "On Both Banks of the Suez" and "The Heights of Courage" are great reads, but they also put into perspective how close and personal the Yom Kippur war was versus the conflicts that we can recall which all took place an ocean away. The Israeli position toward Palestineans hinges upon an absolute unwillingness to allow them to act as a third column or as a means of cedeing strategically vital territory (e.g. WB or Gaza, particularly with no Sinai buffer).

I think that there are valid criticisms of Israeli policy toward Palestinians, but it's also extremely easy to forget how much history goes into those conflicts. It's also too easy for us to minimize the fear and reactions of a group of people who have faced extermination at least twice in the span of 30 years. You cannot encapsulate the complex decisions in a Twitter post or a Facebook rant, and if you do, it's bound to appear (or maybe actually be) an anti-Semitic trope that does nothing to advance important discussions.

Some of the harshest critics and some of the most ardent defenders of Israeli policies are Jews. That diversity of opinion is supported by a shared understanding that NONE of the opinions voiced are motivated by anti-Semitism. That safety is a necessary precursor to meaningful debates on Israeli policy, and Omar's flippant comments completely undermine it. I don't know if she hates Jews or if she is just a moron, but it is clear that she moved her own aims backward by saying something idiotic.
How about this.

Peace or no peace, just give the Palestians Israeli Citizenship with full rights like any other citizen. That including the right for vote and local managments rights.
Similarly, as any Jew is entitle to have an immediate citizenship. How about and decendent of Palestians has the same right to their fathers' land citizenship?

Would that work?

Well, Israel gave them back Gaza and they turned it into a terrorist training camp and a launching pad for attacks on civilians and school children. If the Arabs in Gaza, Judea and Samaria were brought into Israel proper and given full rights, they would outnumber the Jews in their own Jewish State. There are thousands more square kilometers of Arab lands surrounding Israel (think Rhode Island vs. the entire rest of the United States). How about stop trying to kill the Jews and recognize the right of Israel to exist, that would be a terrific first step.

Arafat was offered all that and more and he turned it down. Why, because as long as there is a "Palestinian cause", the corrupt leaders of the various factions (PLO, Hamas, PLF, etc.) all stand to profit immensely with money flowing in from Arab countries, Iran, etc. Money meant for their people that is blatantly diverted to personal accounts. What was the size of Arafat's estate when he died? Hundreds of millions! Not bad for an engineer who devoted his life to murdering innocent women and children.

Peace or no peace? Give them land and citizenship?

Let them earn it by exhibiting the kind of behavior that would merit joining the rest of modernity.

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WE should bring this thread back on track.

As the Democrats Go Socialist, They Go Anti-Semitic

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273078 ... greenfield

Rep. Omar didn’t utter new ideas about Jews, but very old ones. And these ideas have nothing to do with Israel. They predate the Jewish State and even an organized Zionist political movement.

The Jew was the classic socialist villain because he showed that free markets can empower individuals. Socialists were obliged to disprove the legitimacy of Jewish entry into the middle class by employing classic anti-Semitic stereotypes. The same problem bedevils today’s socialists who have replaced class with race, but still have to contend with the economic successes of Jews and Asians despite racism.

Jewish success disproves socialism and identity politics. It can only be met with anti-Semitism. And then the very element that disproves socialism instead becomes proof that we desperately need big government to protect us from the Jews. The same rhetoric at the heart of National Socialism is lurking there in the bowels of all socialism, from the New Deal to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

In the realm of foreign policy, Israel’s successful resistance to Islamic terrorism must also be disproven so that the United States and other countries do not decide to adopt it as a model. The same anti-Semitic stereotypes that socialists used to inveigh against the Boer War, WW1 and any conflict in the last century, are once again deployed, this time using anti-Semitism to stigmatize counterterrorism.

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The situation was created by the Arabs in 1948. They declared that they would drive the Jews into the sea. The Arabs outside of Israel told the Arabs inside of Israel to leave so that they would not be in harms way while the Jews were exterminated (remember that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was allied with the worst of Nazi Germany during WWII). After the Arab attack failed and Israel established itself as a sovereign entity, the willingly self displaced Arabs could have been easily absorbed into neighboring Arab countries (note that the "Palestinian" Arabs do in fact already have their own country, it is called Jordan). Instead, the Arabs governments chose to make political fodder out of their own brethren and they were incarcerated into so-called "refugee camps" in Gaza, Judea and Samaria (Judea and Samaria are the correct names for the "West Bank' of the Jordan River) I have been in these "camps", they are simply cities like any other Arab city. And it is absolutely correct, if the Arabs in Gaza simply took the concrete that was provided to them by Israel, and used it to build hospitals and schools instead of terror tunnels into Israel proper, then they would improve their own lives immeasurably. Arabs living in Israel proper enjoy most all of the rights that any Jewish citizen does, including representation in the Knesset and more recently, some have even gone to serve in the IDF. Bottom line, the only way that I can make sense of it all is to believe in the concepts of good and evil and that what we see taking place is a most stark example of that very classic battle between light and darkness.

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MaduroBU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:53 pm I'll stand up and say that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians concerns me. The Palestinians have not made themselves a very sympathetic group, between atrocious leadership and bring used as an excuse to exterminate Jews by all of Israel's neighbors since 1948. Israel has a unique mandate as an ethno-state (something that we in the West wouldn't tolerate under virtually any other circumstance), but they're also a Western democracy. They're also unqiue in that the religious and political climates of their neighbors put them in a strategic position that we cannot understand in the West. Giving up Golan would put all of Northern Israel (including Tel Aviv) in Syrian artillery range, while giving up the West Bank would make a 9 mile wide strip of land connecting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. If you live in Texas you think "Who cares?". If you have relatives who remember how they maintained 10:1 kill ratios in wadis along the Golan to save the country, those strategic and tactical considerations are very real. "On Both Banks of the Suez" and "The Heights of Courage" are great reads, but they also put into perspective how close and personal the Yom Kippur war was versus the conflicts that we can recall which all took place an ocean away. The Israeli position toward Palestineans hinges upon an absolute unwillingness to allow them to act as a third column or as a means of cedeing strategically vital territory (e.g. WB or Gaza, particularly with no Sinai buffer).

I think that there are valid criticisms of Israeli policy toward Palestinians, but it's also extremely easy to forget how much history goes into those conflicts. It's also too easy for us to minimize the fear and reactions of a group of people who have faced extermination at least twice in the span of 30 years. You cannot encapsulate the complex decisions in a Twitter post or a Facebook rant, and if you do, it's bound to appear (or maybe actually be) an anti-Semitic trope that does nothing to advance important discussions.

Some of the harshest critics and some of the most ardent defenders of Israeli policies are Jews. That diversity of opinion is supported by a shared understanding that NONE of the opinions voiced are motivated by anti-Semitism. That safety is a necessary precursor to meaningful debates on Israeli policy, and Omar's flippant comments completely undermine it. I don't know if she hates Jews or if she is just a moron, but it is clear that she moved her own aims backward by saying something idiotic.

If one is familiar with the Israeli Army rules of engagement, one would come to realize that they are the most humane fighting force in the world. More than one soldier has given their life in order to prevent the death of an innocent civilian. As far as the "Palestinians" (which BTW is a made up word that came into existence after 1948) who seem to by and large only be able to find unarmed civilians to murder - in a land where everyone serves in the military at one time or another - if these Arabs laid down their weapons (rockets, AK's, knives and homicide vests) tomorrow, there would be peace. If the Jews laid down their arms, there would be only a massacre of another 6 million-plus Jews.

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Redneck_Buddha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:28 pm
G26ster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:03 pm
Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:05 pm
philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:09 pm http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.
Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...
You're dreaming I'm afraid. The House Democrats voted unanimously for the resolution. Only Republicans dissented (I think for good reason). As a Jew that grew up in NYC in a Democratic family and neighborhood, I have never understood the attraction of the Democrat Party to Jews. Makes no sense at all.
Very complex and deep with ancestral roots as new Ashkenaz immigrants to NYC in the early 20th century. As a Jew you know how fastidiously tradition is passed down.

Russian Jewish immigrants crammed into tenements in the Lower East Side and brutally exploited by the textile factories. This gave rights to worker's rights activism and aligned with Jewish support of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, which cost the Jewish population in the USSR dearly as the 20th century unfolded.

More confounding is how Jews contributed literal blood equity to the Civil Rights movement of the early 60's, and how they have since been betrayed for all their good support and activism. Still blindly supporting the now non-oppressed.

And don't forget that we grew up in a markedly different time. My mother, z"l, was a "yellow-dog" Democrat (I attribute this to so many US Jews serving in the military in WWII and Roosevelt ending the war and liberating the death camps) from Massachusetts but in any event, when she spoke, she sounded like Sarah Palin because she had very traditional values. Obviously the Dems today do not share many, if any, traditional values.

One of my best friends went to Harvard Law and became a Hollywood screen writer. But guess what, he was best friends with Andrew Breitbart. Things were not always so leftist but it started with the inculcation of the young, just like it did in Nazi Germany and today in Gaza.

And today, the religiously liberal Jewish Rabbi's preach SJW political activism from the pulpit. This came about due to the RAC, the Reform (political) Action Committee, which has led the Reform Movement (the most liberal denomination from both a ritual and a political standpoint) far astray. We left the largest Reform Temple in Dallas, not because we did not enjoy the services or the egalitarianism but because the Rabbi preached gun control and advocated for Obamacare (as just a few examples) from the pulpit. And it was recently posted 30.06 as well. So I guess we really didn't leave the Movement, it left us. And the liberal arm of Judaism is the largest , comprising about 70% of the US Jewish population. Hhmmmm,just about the same percentage of "Jews" who voted Democrat. The argument then becomes who is a Jew? Too long and too esoteric for this thread.

On top of that, the liberal Jewish Movement attracts politically liberal Jews as well as non-Jews. In fact the last and current Presidents of the local Reform Temple are "Jews by Choice". Why does this matter? Only in that the Conversion process in the liberal denomination tends to treat Judaism as a faith religion only, and not a peoplehood. As a result, IMHO, the traditional values and very important cultural aspects of "the tribe" can easily be overlooked or lost.

We recently joined a Conservative (from a ritual and observance standpoint) Synagogue here in Dallas, it is 30.07 but not 30.06, and the Rabbis preach the Torah (bible), not politics. The congregation is probably 50/50 liberal vs conservative politically, but any political discourse that I have observed has been very measured and respectful and all about the issues - and from a traditional Jewish perspective.

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philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:09 pm http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost ... story.html

Dems divide over Omar’s remarks, test Pelosi’s ability to unify.

Maybe people of the Jewish faith or those who support Israel or those who abhor discrimination will vote Republican in 2020.

Even better, maybe some House Democrats will cross the aisle and join the Republicans...

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As the Democrats Go Socialist, They Go Anti-Semitic
Jew-hate and socialism have always gone hand in hand.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/273078 ... greenfield

Rep. Omar would much rather tap into anti-Semitism and turn the conversation to Israel, then discuss her past sympathy for Islamic terrorists. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez would rather turn the conversation away from why she believed we shouldn’t have gone after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan with a defense of Omar. Jews are a small and controversial minority. That makes them a good target for socialists, national and international, to make it seem as if their extremism only threatens the Jews.

Not the general public.

The division between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism is a scam. Anti-Zionism is just a means of attacking American foreign policy by exploiting anti-Semitic stereotypes. Attacking Israel in support of Islamic terrorism allows leftists to use bigotry to shift the argument from our national security to Jewish conspiracies.

Anti-Zionists believe that the terrorists are right and that America, Israel and any nation that resists them deserves to lose. This toxic point of view goes over better with a spoonful of anti-Semitism.

Rep. Omar isn’t just mainstreaming anti-Semitism. She’s mainstreaming anti-Americanism.

But anti-Semitism is also deeply linked to socialism and its ideological stereotypes, the greedy capitalist and the warmongering businessman, inescapably express themselves in the language of anti-Semitism. Rep. Omar didn’t utter new ideas about Jews, but very old ones. And these ideas have nothing to do with Israel. They predate the Jewish State and even an organized Zionist political movement.

The Jew was the classic socialist villain because he showed that free markets can empower individuals. Socialists were obliged to disprove the legitimacy of Jewish entry into the middle class by employing classic anti-Semitic stereotypes. The same problem bedevils today’s socialists who have replaced class with race, but still have to contend with the economic successes of Jews and Asians despite racism.

Jewish success disproves socialism and identity politics. It can only be met with anti-Semitism. And then the very element that disproves socialism instead becomes proof that we desperately need big government to protect us from the Jews. The same rhetoric at the heart of National Socialism is lurking there in the bowels of all socialism, from the New Deal to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

In the realm of foreign policy, Israel’s successful resistance to Islamic terrorism must also be disproven so that the United States and other countries do not decide to adopt it as a model. The same anti-Semitic stereotypes that socialists used to inveigh against the Boer War, WW1 and any conflict in the last century, are once again deployed, this time using anti-Semitism to stigmatize counterterrorism.

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