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by 74novaman
Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Yeah, new camera to blame here. I need to adjust the angle and see if I can get the reloads in the picture too.

I was using Safariland Comp3 speedloaders. They're great loaders, like them a lot.

I'll be using moon clips in USPSA with the 627, but it's easier to shoot IDPA with a 6 shot since you're limited to 6 rounds in the gun no matter how many it holds, so I bought that used Model 10 specifically for IDPA. Those lovely low profile gutter and post sights make the long shots extra fun. :biggrinjester:

I'm dropping both the cases and the speedloaders on the ground. Whether or not you can collect brass depends on the match/range you shoot at, and people are going to get grumpy if you're busy exclusively being a brass squirrel instead of helping score/tape/reset during the match, but as long as you're helping out the squad in between shooters most places don't seem to care if you collect brass.

ETA: Moon clips are a bit of a different deal. You can bet I'm collecting every single moon clip on every single stage. Stupid things are too expensive to just abandon.
by 74novaman
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Funny story from the match: I had a nice, ~13ish second reload on the first stage of the match yesterday. It was on my SECOND reshoot of that stage. First time through, the swinging no shoot target fell off. Second time, the activator steel popper for the swinger took a solid hit and failed to fall, so we stopped and had to reset. Every case extracted perfectly on both of those runs. But on the third run, when the stage equipment was all finally working right, one case got stuck under the star. And of course, I cut my fingernails yesterday. So I've got next to no nail to get under the damn rim and I'm sitting there for 10 or more seconds trying to first get the case out of the cylinder, then get it past the star before I can reload.

It couldn't have happened on either of the runs that didn't count, naturally. This is the kind of luck I tend to have.

Video time, so we can all analyze my failures together.



Some things I noticed:

1) On the very first cylinder through the gun, I short stroked the trigger and rotated the cylinder without moving the hammer. Trying to "ride the reset" on a revolver is a really bad idea. Thankfully, it's the only time I did that all day.
2) You need more "space" to reload revolvers than semis. On stage 5, I bonked the barrel wall when moving the gun from muzzle up to eject cases to muzzle down to reload it. This is not something I've had to worry about before shooting semis. It also showed up again on stage 6 when I got too close to a wall and had to bring the gun into my chest to get around it. I need to give myself more distance around barriers, mostly for reloads but also just to eliminate unnecessary movement when transitioning around them like on stage 6.
3) There were a couple of times I missed the ejector rod with my index finger during the reload and had to try again. Since I'd like to stick with the weak hand reload for now, I think I'm going to practice hitting the rod with two fingers on my weak hand instead of just one to give me a little more room for error. Inexperienced revolver shooter problems.
4) Round counts, round counts, round counts. How hard is it to count to 6? Pretty hard, apparently. Multiple times I pulled the trigger a 7th time for a click instead of a bang, wasting time. I need to continue working on my stage planning and my awareness of what I've already shot so I'm not surprised as often by an empty gun.
5) on a camera note, I like the new GoPro but I need to angle it down a bit more so I can hopefully get my reloads on film in the future as well. They're a big part of the revolver shooting game and if I can't see them I don't know what I need to improve on with them.

To give myself a few kudos as well so this isn't just a self stomp fest: Despite two reshoots and a 13 second reload when a case got stuck under the star on stage 1, I actually improved steadily throughout the rest of the match. Usually I shoot on a bit of a bell curve, with my first stage being slightly suboptimum, 2-3 or 4 being decent, and 5-6 and beyond going down hill as I become mentally fatigued. I've been working not just on dry fires and reloads but my mental game as well, and I think it is starting to show. My best stage of the day was the very last stage I shot. That's new, and I like it.

I'm also throwing up a quick comparison video of my first cylinder on stage 1 and my first cylinder on stage 6. I think there's a noticeable difference in my confidence with the DA trigger in matches in just a few stages. First cylinder had a lot of hesitation and trigger staging that was gone by the end of the match. Hoping to see that improvement continue.

by 74novaman
Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:32 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

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I was the only revolver shooter today.

Finished 14th out of 16 shooters, so I beat a couple of bottom feeders.

Even finished 5th overall on one stage, but taking 10+ seconds to clear a case that slipped under the star on another stage will eat up some time, as will a few hits to hard cover instead of the target.

I finished stronger than I started though (my 5th overall stage run was the last stage of the day for me), so I'm happy with improvements throughout, and I got better each stage. First match in a few months, first match ever with a revolver. It'll be a good benchmark to compare to in a year and see what I've improved on.

I'll edit/upload video tomorrow.
by 74novaman
Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Finally finding time this weekend to shoot a match. IDPA, so I'll be using the M10 and Comp3s.

Six total stages, two of which require 18 rounds, and another two that require 17.

This is exactly the sort of challenge I was looking for by switching to revolver this year. A single miss on two stages means an extra reload, while another two stages allow for only one make up shot before I'm forced into an extra reload. Should be a good under stress no fail drill.

I'm also excited to shoot this one because my new GoPro got here this week, so I should have some higher quality video of whatever happens.
by 74novaman
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

So I mostly did this as a joke for a thread gone off the rails about the usefulness of red dots on pistols on another forum...

but now that it's together it's kind of growing on me.

If I can find a holster for it anyway.

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by 74novaman
Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Thanks Bill!

Got the 627 and 637 back from the smith, got my parts in from Ruger for the rear sight on the LCRx, so I’m up and running again.

New GoPro comes in Tuesday so video quality is going to improve too.

Hopefully I’ll get to the range this weekend and shoot some more drills.
by 74novaman
Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:38 am
74novaman, a couple of questions....

First, is that the Performance Center Model 19 K-Comp? She’s go-jiss!

Second, where did you get the moon clip carriers? I’ve got to find one that will fit an 8-round moon clip for the TRR8.
Close, that's a 586 L Comp from the PC. 7 shot L frame instead of a 6 shot K like the 19.

I got them from Simply Rugged. https://www.simplyrugged.com/ecommerce/ ... parent=671

They claim to fit up to 8 shot. If I can cram my 7 shot moons in there, I don't see why the 8s wouldn't fit.

I'd try it for you but my 627 is with the smith still so I don't currently have any of my 8 shot moons loaded.
by 74novaman
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

cmgee67 wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:43 pm
I figured if I’m carrying polymer I might as well carry more rounds. Thus the shield was chosen.
I'm trying to fix that issue too. :biggrinjester:

Spent today dry firing and trying out a possible way to carry moon clips outside of competition: a speedloader/moonclip holder from Simply Rugged holsters.

These concealed easily under my usual attire of an untucked collared shirt, and I was able to reload quicker than with how I had been carrying a reload (speedloader in the pocket) as well.

21 rounds on hand doesn't make me feel very deficient in the "carry lots of ammo" school of thought.

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by 74novaman
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Still waiting on my 627 and 637 to get back from the smith.

Round 2 of parts needed to finish the Ruger rear sight are supposedly inbound (first shipment didn't have two pieces needed to finish the rear sight still).

Because I've been stuck with only two out of the planned five guns I was hoping to work with this year and it's looking like February before everything is back in my hands, I'm pushing this experiment one more month and I'll carry revolvers through January of 2020 as well.

Think I might keep a log of what revolver I carry each day for the year when I have all the options available. Might be interesting to see what gun got carried the most/least.
by 74novaman
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

surferdaddy wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:49 pm

Loving the return to wheel gun pocket carry. With its diminutive weight it is effortless reliable carry.
Only 1 out of the 5 guns I'm using for this year could really be considered a viable pocket carry option. I don't plan on using it much.

While an LCP seems to conceal in a pocket okay, I've always struggled with how big a revolver looks/feels in a pocket. Add in that I don't wear cargo pants and hate things in my back pocket, and pocket carry limits me to one other pocket to carry everything else (keys, wallet, phone....now I don't have room for a reload....).

It's an option, but I'm not nearly as fond of it as I used to be back when I tended to wear baggier pants with more pockets.

Speaking of reliable, I did drag out my old pocket carry LCP to the range at the start of the month just to see if it would reliably go bang after a 2 1/2 months of being in my pocket or in the gun drawer....All 7 rounds fired, no failures or misfeeds. I know some people have had reliability issues with their LCP but every time I've tried that little test on mine it has done well.
by 74novaman
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:17 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

SQLGeek wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:19 pm
Good thread. I've bookmarked it to keep tabs.

I've been on a big revolver kick lately and am looking to acquire my first. I want to find one to compete with also. The Model 10 is an interesting idea as a place to get started.
The nice thing about the Model 10 is that Safariland makes the Comp 3 for it.

If I can't use moon clips (my first preference), Comp3s are really, really good speed loaders. No twisting or messing around, just align the round with the cylinder and push in.

There are better "gamer" wheel guns for IDPA, but I didn't want to add a 625, .45 acp, .45 moon clips, etc to the mix. But a 4" M10 is cheap, used ones already have a lot of the slop worked out of the trigger unlike my new smiths (which had to go to the gunsmith to be smoothed out) and with comp3s can be loaded as fast as any non moon gun can be.

A used M10 is not a bad place to start with wheel guns, IMO. They shoot well, and they carry pretty well too.
by 74novaman
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:06 am
74novaman, on the range, are you shooting .357 ammo in your .357 revolvers, or primarily .38 Special?
Out of the 5 guns I'm using this year, only 2 are .357s, so I'm keeping everything .38 for range time, competition, and carry to keep from having to worry about bringing the right ammo to the range, etc.
by 74novaman
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

Mike S wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:56 pm

If you wouldn't mind a bit of feedback, I'd recommend applying a little more follow through on your final shot on each string.
Yep, follow through is one of my biggest problems shooting (and one of the things I'm trying to work with by shooting wheel guns this year).

Took a Pat Mac class in December and he made the same observations.

That's part of why I'm trying to shoot these early drills cold without dry firing or shooting much before hand: to identify issues to fix. I'm hoping that by the time the end of the year videos roll around I'll be seeing noticeable improvement in several areas, including follow through.
by 74novaman
Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:08 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:05 pm
74novaman:

IIRC, some years back your EDC was a Rock Island Armory 1911, 5" barrel, .45 ACP. Do you still have it?
I do, but man I've carried a little bit of everything over the years. Before this year and the wheel gun experiment I did occasionally still carry a 1911, but I'd upgraded to a Dan Wesson Guardian in 9mm. :mrgreen:

My biggest draw for the last few years has been CZs. Big, big fan.

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by 74novaman
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Switching to wheel guns this year
Replies: 76
Views: 5146

Re: Switching to wheel guns this year

I've been traveling this month and 3 out of my 5 guns are currently unavailable (627 and 637 went to a smith for trigger work/apex springs, LCRx shipped without its rear sight so I'm waiting on parts from Ruger). Didn't have a ton of time, but managed to at least shoot 5 second standards with the M10 and 586 this weekend. Failed at 10 yards on strong hand only with the M10, failed at 15 yards strong hand only with the 586.

As a comparison point, I can typically clear this drill out to 15 on demand with any of my CZs. I have a lot of work to do mastering the double action trigger pull, but that's part of why I'm doing this....to push myself outside of my comfort zone, develop better trigger control, and learn some things.

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