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NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:35 am
by 1911 Raptor
Looks like there is a power struggle in the NRA.

NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted, Resign Pressure...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nras-wayne ... 1556314763
Longtime National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre has told the group’s board he is being extorted and pressured to resign by the organization’s president, Oliver North, over allegations of financial improprieties, in an extraordinary battle roiling one of the nation’s most powerful nonprofit political groups.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:04 am
by The Annoyed Man
Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall.

However....

https://www.apnews.com/d5d90ab1596f478c8f20d4dbe3f73979
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Retired Lt. Col. Oliver North has announced that he will not serve a second term as the president of the National Rifle Association amid inner turmoil in the gun-rights group.

In a statement read to members of the group Saturday, North said he believes a committee should be set up to review the NRA’s finances. He said there is a “clear crisis” and “it needs to be dealt with” if the NRA is to survive.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:29 am
by mojo84
Very disappointing.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:13 am
by 1911 Raptor
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:04 am
Unfortunately, the article is behind a paywall.

However....

https://www.apnews.com/d5d90ab1596f478c8f20d4dbe3f73979
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Retired Lt. Col. Oliver North has announced that he will not serve a second term as the president of the National Rifle Association amid inner turmoil in the gun-rights group.

In a statement read to members of the group Saturday, North said he believes a committee should be set up to review the NRA’s finances. He said there is a “clear crisis” and “it needs to be dealt with” if the NRA is to survive.
Maybe this one will work.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nras-wayne ... 1556314763

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:42 am
by 1911 Raptor
If nothing else the article is on Drudge Report.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:41 pm
by Scott B.
Sunlight is a great disinfectant. I think NRA needs an in-depth audit / examination of all the vendor relations, comp packages, employment relationships (working for NRA, the PR company, or one of its many subsidies), etc. It should be done by people who are either above reproach, neutral, or who don't have ties to any vendor or the organization.

NRA must be in the best fighting shape possible because we're going to need it - desperately.

You can say "oh, X publication is biased against us" or the "opposition is out to get us" but let's face facts, there's a lot of smoke pouring out of the seams. And it's not like 'they're out to get us' is new.

We need NRA to be better.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:17 pm
by Ruark
I definitely think Wayne has outlived his usefulness. In the public eye, he is little more than a cartoon character. The NRA desperately needs new blood. Oliver North was a good possibility and now he's sadly out of the picture. I don't know who could take his place.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:20 am
by Lynyrd
Ruark wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:17 pm
I definitely think Wayne has outlived his usefulness. In the public eye, he is little more than a cartoon character. The NRA desperately needs new blood. Oliver North was a good possibility and now he's sadly out of the picture. I don't know who could take his place.
How about Trey Gowdy?

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
by jb2012
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
by G.A. Heath
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:45 pm
by The Annoyed Man
G.A. Heath wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
This, EXACTLY.

Saw this linked on Drudge this afternoon: https://www.wsj.com/articles/oliver-nor ... 1556376506
New York Attorney General Probes NRA as Oliver North Exits as President
The probe is looking into financial and disclosure problems at the gun-rights group
The New York attorney general’s office is investigating potential financial and disclosure problems at the National Rifle Association, amid boardroom turmoil at the group that led Saturday to the departure of NRA President Oliver North after a bruising internal political battle.

The probe is looking into alleged financial misconduct of the kind that Mr. North has raised in the internal battles. A spokeswoman for Attorney General Letitia James confirmed the probe and said subpoenas have been issued, but had no further comment.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
by jb2012
G.A. Heath wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm
by mojo84
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6
This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:50 pm
by mojo84
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
Of course I do not agree 100% with the NRA or any other organization. How about we have all three be strong advocates rather than hoping the "biggest and most powerful" "fallout"?

If 100% agreement and alignment is the standard, the we all need to leave our wives, jobs, friends, churches, etc. and start seeking the one we agree and align with 100%.

Re: NRA Leader LaPierre Says Being Extorted,

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:53 pm
by 1911 Raptor
mojo84 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:45 pm
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:22 pm
G.A. Heath wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am
jb2012 wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:31 am
I wouldn’t mind seeing the NRA fallout and members of NRA join up with Firearms Policy Coalition or Gun Owners of America. Heck I think the reason most of us still support the NRA is because it is the biggest and most powerful. I don’t think that their views actually align with most gun owners today.
I support the NRA, and their Texas affiliate the TSRA, because they are the most effective organizations we have. Show me one piece of legislation that any other progun group has passed at the federal level, or a single piece of legislation in Texas. If we reject a group because they don't agree 100% with us then we will have no groups at all.

For the record I know for a fact that members of the NRA board of directors don't always agree with the NRA, if they did they wouldn't need a board to vote!
I genuinely understand where you’re coming from, I just can’t make myself support a group that advocates for the removal of my rights. I mean honestly when is the last time that the NRA passed legislation at the federal level that did any good for gun owners? It seems that recent history they have only advocated for the loss of rights i.e. bumpstocks and red flag laws.

Here’s a link to recent accomplishments from FPC and GOA:
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news

https://gunowners.org/about-goa/#section-about-goa-6
This seems like a backwards way of looking at it. Keep in mind, there is opposition and public perception and ignorance is on the side of the gun control crowd. Sometimes a compromise or sacrifice has to made to protect the larger number of gun owners and rights.

What percentage of gunowners actually own bumpstocks? I know several that didn't even know what they were until Las Vegas.
All I know is we had a Republican President, a Republican Congress and the Hearing Protection Act was not passed. I support the NRA but not getting this done was a huge black eye for the NRA. The NRA has issues to many reports coming out and where there is smoke there is usually fire.