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Re: knockout game

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Post by Oldgringo » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:10 am

Glock 23 wrote:What happens when you're attacked...and not only not knocked out, but still have enough senses to respond?
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Re: knockout game

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Post by SherwoodForest » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:04 am

This video of a "KO game" failure may have been linked to already, but it's worth reviewing because there are strong indications that this victim was probably carrying a handgun in her purse. After a couple of recovery steps following the punch - she turns and advances towards her attacker while simultaneously reaching for the latch on her purse. I think this punk was lucky - this time-because he was running away, and she wisely decided not shoot him in the back. Had she been aware that the attack was captured on video....who knows.

http://phillymag.com/2013/11/20/video-k ... ladelphia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: knockout game

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Post by suthdj » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:04 am

Ok here is another twist. You see it happen and the kids are running your direction after it happened, do you draw on them to detain for police, let them run on by and help the victim. Remember they have proven to be a threat and WILL more then likely do it again to someone, even your wife or mother.
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Post by Middle Age Russ » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:06 am

Awareness buys time / options. When time is up and options are exhausted, the firearm can become a force option in the face of multiple attackers. When the firearm is used, though, other people get to decide whether it was a justifiable use of force based on the facts that are gathered and presented to them. If your choices up to and through the event are deemed reasonable by these third parties after the fact and not in the moment, you will be exonerated. If not.... With this in mind, avoidance where possible is certainly a good fist option. De-escalation / deterrence by ensuring that potential attackers are aware of your awareness and adopting a defensive posture may be good second options before you get to the point of using other tools. Neither of these is possible without good, practiced awareness along with ongoing consideration of possible safety-enhancing actions.
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Post by Middle Age Russ » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:18 am

Ok here is another twist. You see it happen and the kids are running your direction after it happened, do you draw on them to detain for police, let them run on by and help the victim. Remember they have proven to be a threat and WILL more then likely do it again to someone, even your wife or mother.
If I don't feel directly and imminently threatened, my sidearm will not be drawn. Until that point, I will simply try to be a good witness and help the victim.

In the case of violent criminals (and these kids fit that bill), I agree with Uncle Ted's comment, "I don't like repeat offenders; I prefer dead offenders." I am not law enforcement and if the kids have moved past the criminal act any act of mine needs to be in consideration of my safety within legal parameters. I have no training or duty to detain suspects and will not attempt to do so. I am not a vigilante and will not seek "street justice" that could imperil my liberty.
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Re: knockout game

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Post by suthdj » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:51 pm

Wow, it is a hate crime.
http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-sus ... ories.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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suthdj wrote:Wow, it is a hate crime.
http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-sus ... ories.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wait, it's only a hate crime because the victim was a Jew? Not one mention of race in the article.
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Post by CHLLady » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:18 pm

SherwoodForest wrote:This video of a "KO game" failure may have been linked to already, but it's worth reviewing because there are strong indications that this victim was probably carrying a handgun in her purse. After a couple of recovery steps following the punch - she turns and advances towards her attacker while simultaneously reaching for the latch on her purse. I think this punk was lucky - this time-because he was running away, and she wisely decided not shoot him in the back. Had she been aware that the attack was captured on video....who knows.

http://phillymag.com/2013/11/20/video-k ... ladelphia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I noticed this one too! She quickly reaches for her bag, but they cut it off before she pulls whatever she's reaching for out.

Hope they catch this punk.
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Re: knockout game

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Post by suthdj » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:36 pm

jmra wrote:
suthdj wrote:Wow, it is a hate crime.
http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-sus ... ories.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wait, it's only a hate crime because the victim was a Jew? Not one mention of race in the article.
I guess the attacker must have been a Muslim, Christian, or some other non-Jew religion. :confused5
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Post by jmra » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:44 pm

suthdj wrote:
jmra wrote:
suthdj wrote:Wow, it is a hate crime.
http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-sus ... ories.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wait, it's only a hate crime because the victim was a Jew? Not one mention of race in the article.
I guess the attacker must have been a Muslim, Christian, or some other non-Jew religion. :confused5
Your guess is as good as mine. I just can't believe after the whole GZ fiasco the lengths that the MSM will go to make this anything but a black on white hate crime.
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Re: knockout game

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Post by VoiceofReason » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:46 pm

If you are aware of the situation you may be half expecting a punch. Ducking or moving your head at the right time can keep the punch from landing properly or even missing entirely. Just drop your head and his punch may land on the top of your head.

I don’t know about others but if a guy punched me in the top of my hard head, he would break every bone in his hand and it wouldn’t even phase me. :banghead:

If the punch misses I am going to get off as many shots as I can before he hits the ground. Any of his “buds” move toward me, I carry two spare mags.

I don’t think I need to worry too much though. When I retired we moved from Houston to a very small town in South Texas.
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Post by aaangel » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:41 pm

http://news.awfbase.com/content/knockou ... pOYpRxLQUV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

keep playing with fire...... maybe some of these punks will learn. nah who am i kidding.
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Post by Redneck_Buddha » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:38 pm

aaangel wrote:http://news.awfbase.com/content/knockou ... pOYpRxLQUV

keep playing with fire...... maybe some of these punks will learn. nah who am i kidding.
Hope she braces herself for an attack by the SJIC (Social Justice Industrial Complex).


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Re: knockout game

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Post by Dave2 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:41 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This crime is clearly a black on white crime and, to my knowledge, there has been no report of an attack by a white assailant or a black victim. Did you see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on TV last night calling for an end to this racist, senseless violence? I didn't either, nor did anyone else.

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Well, it's not on TV (AFAIK), but breitbart is reporting that Al Sharpton condemns 'knockout' game. So unless the reporter is twisting his words or something, credit where credit is due.
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Post by jmra » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:48 am

Dave2 wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:This crime is clearly a black on white crime and, to my knowledge, there has been no report of an attack by a white assailant or a black victim. Did you see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on TV last night calling for an end to this racist, senseless violence? I didn't either, nor did anyone else.

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Well, it's not on TV (AFAIK), but breitbart is reporting that Al Sharpton condemns 'knockout' game. So unless the reporter is twisting his words or something, credit where credit is due.
Took him long enough. Guess he needed to see which way the wind was blowing.
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