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Re: Shooting Situation at Rolling Oaks Mall San Antonio

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Post by NotRPB » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:50 pm

UPDATE via News 4 San Antonio: A (unarmed) Good Samaritan was shot and killed trying to stop a robbery. Two armed men attempted to rob Kay Jewelers in Rolling Oaks Rolling Oaks Mall just after 3:30 Sunday.

An unarmed man attempted to stop the robbery and was shot and killed. A second man pulled out his concealed weapon and shot one of the suspects. The second suspect fled the scene, shooting as he ran. Their condition has not been released.

The second suspect is still on the run.

The shooting suspect was transported to SAMC in critical condition. A male and female shooting victim were also transported to SAMC. Another person suffered a heart attack at the scene, and another woman went into labor.
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Post by Keith B » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:05 pm

A couple of major mistakes were made by the first guy; 1. He tried to intervene, and 2. He tried to intervene unarmed with an armed suspect. And, while I can understand the concealed carry holder pulling and shooting, especially since the 1st guy had shot the Good Samaritan, it more than likely set the 2nd suspect to shooting as he ran out of the mall. Hopefully the three people injured by the 2nd guy will make full recoveries.
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Post by Embalmo » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:23 pm

jmra wrote:Why in the world would an unarmed man confront two armed men? Looks like the LTC was willing to sit back until shots were fired. Sounds like he handled things well. Still dicey with two against one. Glad he is ok. Praying for those injured.
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That is exactly my thoughts. It sounds like possibly no shots would have been fired if the Samaritan hadn't intervened. Maybe the Samaritan intervened because the thief was about to execute a customer or employee. Sounds like the LTC acted in the exact spirit of the carry law in Texas.
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Post by Javier730 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:09 pm

Second mall hit here in San Antonio. People who do go to malls, keep your heads on swivels and please be careful.
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Post by jmra » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:39 pm

Keith B wrote:A couple of major mistakes were made by the first guy; 1. He tried to intervene, and 2. He tried to intervene unarmed with an armed suspect. And, while I can understand the concealed carry holder pulling and shooting, especially since the 1st guy had shot the Good Samaritan, it more than likely set the 2nd suspect to shooting as he ran out of the mall. Hopefully the three people injured by the 2nd guy will make full recoveries.
I agree with what you're saying, but once the first guy was shot wasn't the genie out of the bottle? At that point both guys are guilty of murder and really don't have much to lose. If the LTC does nothing the BGs more than likely panic and become very unpredictable. I just think at that point I'm more comfortable dealing with one armed guy than two. I hate that 3 people were injured but I also see a nightmare senecio where two desperate armed murderers are holding an unknown number of hostages in a police standoff.
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Post by Javier730 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:53 pm

A guy on the local news says he doesn't feel safe anywhere and doesn't know what to do. We need more good guys with guns. We need the guys with LTCs that don't carry, to start carrying.

I bet these mall robbing become more and more frequent with the bad guys seeing on the news that the first guys got away with robbing a jewelry store.
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Post by thatguyoverthere » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:54 pm

Embalmo wrote:... It sounds like possibly no shots would have been fired if the Samaritan hadn't intervened...
I have always believed this is a large part of the reason that many businesses post in the first place. I believe many of them, especially large businesses, are willing to accept financial loss of a robbery, as long as that is the extent of it. If they can get the robbers out of the store as quickly and as cleanly as possible, that is a much better outcome for them, even with a financial loss, rather than a Good Samaritan inadvertently making the situation worse in a way similar to what happened here today. Just my theory anyway.

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Post by jmra » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:12 am

thatguyoverthere wrote:
Embalmo wrote:... It sounds like possibly no shots would have been fired if the Samaritan hadn't intervened...
I have always believed this is a large part of the reason that many businesses post in the first place. I believe many of them, especially large businesses, are willing to accept financial loss of a robbery, as long as that is the extent of it. If they can get the robbers out of the store as quickly and as cleanly as possible, that is a much better outcome for them, even with a financial loss, rather than a Good Samaritan inadvertently making the situation worse in a way similar to what happened here today. Just my theory anyway.

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The Good Samaritan was unarmed. No amount of gun signage would have changed him being shot dead. The store this occurred in was posted. I assume the LTC was standing outside the perimeter of the posted store. The LTC did not act until after the Good Samaritan was shot dead.
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Post by mojo84 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:56 am

Sad the good guys get blamed for the outcome rather than the actual bad guys. I'm sure they could have done things differently or better but let's not blame them by saying they made things worse. Let's be thankful they were willing to risk their lives for others. There will be time to learn from their mistakes once more info is known.


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Post by NotRPB » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:49 am

Second murderer has been arrested (in stolen car)
link = tweet with video summary
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https://twitter.com/moses11211/status/8 ... 6580396034

Second news report
link = tweet with video summary click the picture in the tweet for the video's sound/audio
https://twitter.com/MorningExp/status/8 ... 4806612994

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Post by longhorn86 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:48 am

Good Samaratan that was killed has been identified as 42 yr old Jonathan Murphy.

http://www.ksat.com/news/second-suspect ... l-shooting


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Post by Treybadd » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:55 am

So the police chief makes it sound like it is senseless that good samaritans try to stop crime...not senseless the thugs with guns rob malls.

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Post by Liberty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:01 am

I didn't get that impression from the linked article:
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said one of the robbers fatally shot Murphy before a second individual, who was carrying a licensed concealed handgun, then shot and wounded one of the robbers.
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Post by doncb » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:16 am

Look for the mall to be posted at every entrance very soon. We all know the signs do such a good job at keeping the criminals out. Worked for Kay Jewelers. :banghead:
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