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Re: NYC: Driver of truck mows down pedestrians - 8 - dead

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philip964 wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:At lunch just now I heard the mayor of New York criticizing our President for "politicizing" the attack by mentioning the need for tougher immigration requirements. Funny how I didn't hear him criticize Hillary when she called for continuing the ban on silencers right after the Vegas massacre.
There was a Hillary Tweet running around the internet yesterday That essentially said "look at how many more would have been killed if the truck was equipped with a silencer".

It was one of those did she really say it or was it fake?

Trump proposes enemy combatant status for the Alien Terrorist Truck Driver. Suggests sending him to Guantanamo. :woohoo :
Just like we don't want the 2A infringed on this would be unconstitutional also.
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oohrah wrote:I don't see how having a gun in situations like can prevent the carnage, or even stop a truck. I think your best defense is situational awareness, thinking about possibilities when you find your self in a crowd.
I would have to think that 4 or 5 rounds, center of mass on the grill, would have to enough effect to at least seriously slow the vehicle. Anybody got an old beater they want to donate as a test subject?
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Re: NYC: Driver of truck mows down pedestrians - 8 - dead

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jmorris wrote:
oohrah wrote:I don't see how having a gun in situations like can prevent the carnage, or even stop a truck. I think your best defense is situational awareness, thinking about possibilities when you find your self in a crowd.
I would have to think that 4 or 5 rounds, center of mass on the grill, would have to enough effect to at least seriously slow the vehicle. Anybody got an old beater they want to donate as a test subject?
Those same 4 or 5 rounds though the windshield into the driver would be more effective IMHO.
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Re: NYC: Driver of truck mows down pedestrians - 8 - dead

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I'm seeing 5 of the deaths were tourists from like Rio or something all friends, maybe riding together.

Some kind of high school reunion.

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Quote: "I would have to think that 4 or 5 rounds, center of mass on the grill, would have to enough effect to at least seriously slow the vehicle."

Maybe many miles or many minutes later. Engines can go a long way with low or no fluids. Shots on driver would have a much better chance of quicker stop.
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Bitter Clinger wrote:
jmorris wrote:
oohrah wrote:I don't see how having a gun in situations like can prevent the carnage, or even stop a truck. I think your best defense is situational awareness, thinking about possibilities when you find your self in a crowd.
I would have to think that 4 or 5 rounds, center of mass on the grill, would have to enough effect to at least seriously slow the vehicle. Anybody got an old beater they want to donate as a test subject?
Those same 4 or 5 rounds though the windshield into the driver would be more effective IMHO.
Possibly, but with your average person* I think they'd have a better chance killing the speeding truck than the driver.

*We here are, of course, all above average.
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Greybeard wrote:Quote: "I would have to think that 4 or 5 rounds, center of mass on the grill, would have to enough effect to at least seriously slow the vehicle."

Maybe many miles or many minutes later. Engines can go a long way with low or no fluids. Shots on driver would have a much better chance of quicker stop.
Maybe all the concealed carriers in NYC carry Desert Eagle .50's :biggrinjester:
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CNN’s finest, Jake Tapper defends “allahu akbar’ as ‘beautiful.’ :mad5 :banghead:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-did.html

Mosque-goer who knew terrorist totally gets why he did it.

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https://www.click2houston.com/news/nati ... was-happy/

On trial for murders. 5 years later.
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philip964 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:54 pm https://www.click2houston.com/news/nati ... was-happy/

On trial for murders. 5 years later.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
The founders, in their wisdom of setting up what our system was supposed to be, were wise enough to know that a speedy trial wasn't just a factor in the accused rights (although that is the main driver of the 6th after the English habit of years in jail awaiting trial), but also necessary for the ease and grieving of the victims and public at large.
Several states include victims’ bills of rights in their constitutions or enact statutes in an attempt to acknowledge and protect a victim’s interest in a speedy trial.
https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/law_j ... 41/iss1/9/

The 6th amendment is long gone...
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PriestTheRunner wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:54 am
philip964 wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:54 pm https://www.click2houston.com/news/nati ... was-happy/

On trial for murders. 5 years later.
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
The founders, in their wisdom of setting up what our system was supposed to be, were wise enough to know that a speedy trial wasn't just a factor in the accused rights (although that is the main driver of the 6th after the English habit of years in jail awaiting trial), but also necessary for the ease and grieving of the victims and public at large.
Several states include victims’ bills of rights in their constitutions or enact statutes in an attempt to acknowledge and protect a victim’s interest in a speedy trial.
https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/law_j ... 41/iss1/9/

The 6th amendment is long gone...
It may be the defense that caused the delays.
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