Video released of Oklahoma bond agent fatally shooting man

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Re: Video released of Oklahoma bond agent fatally shooting man

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:57 pm

1st degree murder.... Not a chance.
3rd degree murder.... Extremely likely
Manslaughter.... Definitely.

I can't stand DA's that pursue their own fame and glory over justice. Should have been a third degree murder charge with a manslaughter plea deal offered IMO. Now a (apparent) murderer walks free.

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Post by AJSully421 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:39 pm

Grundy1133 wrote:
AJSully421 wrote:The story that I read said that her statement was that he reached for the gun and that is the only reason why she fired.

Her word against... no one, so she walks.
the only gun i saw was the one in the hands of the murderer.. did they ever present another gun in the court room? the one he allegedly "reached for"? Cause in that video he doesn't appear to reach for a gun. he looks like hes trying to stay away from her.. either way even IF he was reaching for HER gun, she ended up with it so he is no longer a threat. still not justified.
No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
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Post by warnmar10 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:54 pm

I Hate Dry Counties wrote:... but I couldn’t tell what happened right before she shot him (he was off screen).
AJSully421 wrote:No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
Carey then pulls a gun from a desk and fires once, fatally striking Williams in the back. Carey testified that the shooting was self-defense.
https://www.ksat.com/news/video-release ... ooting-man


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Post by CoffeeNut » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:06 am

Yikes! She should be glad I wasn't on the jury.
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Post by Grundy1133 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:10 am

warnmar10 wrote:
I Hate Dry Counties wrote:... but I couldn’t tell what happened right before she shot him (he was off screen).
AJSully421 wrote:No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
Carey then pulls a gun from a desk and fires once, fatally striking Williams in the back. Carey testified that the shooting was self-defense.
https://www.ksat.com/news/video-release ... ooting-man
but why did she grab the gun to begin with. he wasnt a threat.
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Post by AJSully421 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:14 am

Grundy1133 wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:
I Hate Dry Counties wrote:... but I couldn’t tell what happened right before she shot him (he was off screen).
AJSully421 wrote:No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
Carey then pulls a gun from a desk and fires once, fatally striking Williams in the back. Carey testified that the shooting was self-defense.
https://www.ksat.com/news/video-release ... ooting-man
but why did she grab the gun to begin with. he wasnt a threat.
Dang... unless she said that he reached for her gun and then turned away as she reacted and pulled the trigger... I don’t see how this is anything but Second Degree Murder.
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Post by warnmar10 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:16 am

Grundy1133 wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:
I Hate Dry Counties wrote:... but I couldn’t tell what happened right before she shot him (he was off screen).
AJSully421 wrote:No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
Carey then pulls a gun from a desk and fires once, fatally striking Williams in the back. Carey testified that the shooting was self-defense.
https://www.ksat.com/news/video-release ... ooting-man
but why did she grab the gun to begin with. he wasnt a threat.
In the video it appears she grabbed the gun specifically to shoot that man.

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Post by warnmar10 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:18 am

She should probably get ready for the wrongful death civil suit. If she has assets it shouldn't be hard to find someone to take it on contingency.

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Post by Grundy1133 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:41 am

warnmar10 wrote:She should probably get ready for the wrongful death civil suit. If she has assets it shouldn't be hard to find someone to take it on contingency.
im hoping she gets re-tried for 2nd degree...
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am

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warnmar10 wrote:She should probably get ready for the wrongful death civil suit. If she has assets it shouldn't be hard to find someone to take it on contingency.
im hoping she gets re-tried for 2nd degree...
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Post by AJSully421 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:09 am

PriestTheRunner wrote:1st degree murder.... Not a chance.
3rd degree murder.... Extremely likely
Manslaughter.... Definitely.

I can't stand DA's that pursue their own fame and glory over justice. Should have been a third degree murder charge with a manslaughter plea deal offered IMO. Now a (apparent) murderer walks free.
What on earth is 3rd degree murder? No such thing exists in Oklahoma law. Nor in Texas law for that matter.
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Re: Video released of Oklahoma bond agent fatally shooting man

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:31 am

AJSully421 wrote:
PriestTheRunner wrote:1st degree murder.... Not a chance.
3rd degree murder.... Extremely likely
Manslaughter.... Definitely.

I can't stand DA's that pursue their own fame and glory over justice. Should have been a third degree murder charge with a manslaughter plea deal offered IMO. Now a (apparent) murderer walks free.
What on earth is 3rd degree murder? No such thing exists in Oklahoma law. Nor in Texas law for that matter.
Third Degree Murder
So how does third degree murder fit in? It's important to note that third degree murder may not be a classification in all states, and the definition of third degree murder differs from state to state. Some states, for example, may define third degree murder generally as a murder that does not meet the requirements of first or second degree murder and that does not occur during the commission of some other felony. Additionally, third degree murder may be classified differently than the other degrees of murder in that malice is not the required mental state.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/third- ... esson.html

In Texas and Ok (from my understanding), its voluntary manslaughter. As we make voluntary manslaughter a felony here, there is no need for a felony level murder charge that doesn't fit first or second degree murder. But 3rd degree murder is a thing in law.

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Re: Video released of Oklahoma bond agent fatally shooting man

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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:23 pm

Grundy1133 wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:
I Hate Dry Counties wrote:... but I couldn’t tell what happened right before she shot him (he was off screen).
AJSully421 wrote:No, no... he reached out towards her gun, the one that she already had pointed at him, not that he had a gun.
Carey then pulls a gun from a desk and fires once, fatally striking Williams in the back. Carey testified that the shooting was self-defense.
https://www.ksat.com/news/video-release ... ooting-man
but why did she grab the gun to begin with. he wasnt a threat.
Having dealt with felons, that is not a bet I would make.
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Post by ELB » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:40 pm

OldCurlyWolf wrote:...but why did she grab the gun to begin with. he wasnt a threat.
Having dealt with felons, that is not a bet I would make.
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No, I wouldn't either, but she didn't act like she thought he was a going to a be a problem. She calls an adult male (and he was not weak looking) into her office, with only her young (teenage?) son there as well, to slap the cuffs on him? Aside from the young boy probably not being of much help in an altercation, it was her son for crying out loud. Who puts their kid in that situation?

In any case I don't see from the video how she was not convicted.

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Post by warnmar10 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:40 pm

OldCurlyWolf wrote:Having dealt with felons, that is not a bet I would make.
:mad5
I would argue that in her line of work her weapon be in a holster on her person at all times. But that's me.
What seems clear to me is that she was PO'd at the man. She opened the desk drawer, fumbled around in the drawer for a few seconds then grabbed her pistol and shot the man, reportedly in the back.

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