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FBI: Most violent city in each State ranked

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Post by philip964 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:50 am

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-vio ... fbi-2018-4

Texas is missing because we didn't give them information.

Samples from article written by Business Insider from the information.

Violent Crimes per 10,000 residents ( I have added Brady rankings - Restrictive 50 CA, Nonrestrictive 1 AZ) :


Top
1. Baltimore MD 98.6 44
2. Memphis TN 97.4 23
3. St. Louis MO 91.5 24
4. Little Rock AR 87.4 6
5. Birmingham AL 86.1 15
6. Rockford IL 78.0 41
7. Milwaukee WI 75.6 35
8. Cleveland OH 69.2 28
9. Stockton CA 68.8 50
10. Anchorage AK 57.1 2

Bottom
30. Omaha NE 31.4 34
31. Manchester NH 31.4 27
32. Topeka KS 29.2 22
33. Norfolk VA 26.0 7
34. Tempe AZ 25.9 1
35. Billings MT 24.9 5
36. Portland, OR 24.5 32
37. Providence RI 24.3 43
38. Sioux Falls SD 22.4 25
39. Fargo ND 17.4 29
40. Honolulu, HA 12.1 45

As you can see, they don't make a lot of sense. 4 of the top 10 are in the Brady preferred states 26-50. 4 of the bottom 10 are in the Brady worst states 1-25.

If you pick and choose you can say gun laws work, Hawaii it works, but it doesn't in Maryland. Or gun rights keep you safer, Arizona is safer, but not in Alaska. (maybe its the dark winters)

This is all violent crime rather than just murders. So this would include rapes, assaults and robbery. We have guns to protect us from these as well. Guns can be used in these crimes as well.

Our favorite city Washington DC was 22 with 45.1 violent crimes per 10,000 residents. Brady or Gifford's don't rank DC. BTW I had them all in neat columns, but the site formatting took that away, so the first number following the state is the number of crimes per 10,000 the second number is the Brady gun ranking.


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Post by MaduroBU » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:12 am

Violence mostly occurs in tiny networks of hyperviolent individuals. Those networks affect the communities around them in terrible ways. The individuals who comprise the networks are expert recruiters, so the only way to break the cycle is to throw all of them in prison for a long time. Rudy Guiliani has the right idea, and his work is still paying dividends.

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Post by Beiruty » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:13 am

One has to consider factors such as Rural Vs Urban Areas. Large cities vs tiny towns where everyone is either family or they know each others.
In addition, to the above, there are lot of factors for violent crimes.
1) Family ties and support
2) Poverty, and quick cash, means drugs and gangs
3) Burglary and are public robberies are also big and they are mostly gangs or professional thieves who wok in teams
4) Family feuds and murder/suicide.
5) Drug importers ( they prefer to stay in the shadow and avoid violent crimes).
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Post by J.R.@A&M » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Without any data, I would guess Houston is Texas’ most violent city. But only because Juarez and N.L. are on the other side of the river.
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Post by Liberty » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:07 pm

J.R.@A&M wrote:Without any data, I would guess Houston is Texas’ most violent city. But only because Juarez and N.L. are on the other side of the river.
I don't know. Houston is big. A lot of it consist of large fairly wealthy low crime areas. most of the cities listed as having higher crime werent the largest cities in the state. I suspect that the city with the highest crime would be somelace the size of Texarkana. The list was about crime rate, not number of crimes.
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Post by Rafe » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:28 pm

These numbers don't seem to jive with the ones from Business Insider, but the Houston Chronicle says that these came directly from FBI statistics for 2016, and the page was last updated October 2017. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 235877.php

30 Most Dangerous Texas Cities, 2016

Rank#. Town/City: Violent Crimes per 100,000
  1. Robstown: 1,741
  2. South Padre Island: 1,693
  3. Oyster Creek: 1,672
  4. Bellmead: 1,488
  5. Palmview: 1,440
  6. Palestine: 1,319
  7. Gonzales: 1,196
  8. Beaumont: 1,112
  9. Queen City: 1,091
  10. Lubbock : 1,083
  11. Donna: 1,074
  12. Overton: 1,066
  13. Hempstead: 1,054
  14. Frankston: 1,032
  15. Houston: 1,210
  16. Mathis: 1,007
  17. Tulia: 954
  18. Balcones Heights: 950
  19. Spur: 929
  20. Sinton: 921
  21. Cleveland: 899
  22. Port Lavaca: 899
  23. Alamo: 855
  24. Corrigan: 850
  25. Dalhart: 840
  26. Texarkana: 839
  27. Mexia: 825
  28. Littlefield: 812
  29. Ranger: 812
  30. Madisonville: 812
Is it possible that metro Dallas is not on the list?


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Post by apostate » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:39 pm

Liberty wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote:Without any data, I would guess Houston is Texas’ most violent city. But only because Juarez and N.L. are on the other side of the river.
I don't know. Houston is big.
Yeah, but it doesn't go all the way to that river. :mrgreen:
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Post by RoyGBiv » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:34 am

apostate wrote:
Liberty wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote:Without any data, I would guess Houston is Texas’ most violent city. But only because Juarez and N.L. are on the other side of the river.
I don't know. Houston is big.
Yeah, but it doesn't go all the way to that river. :mrgreen:
I was thinking the same thing. El Houston? Hou-Paso? :mrgreen:
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Re: FBI: Most violent city in each State ranked

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Post by Excaliber » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:56 am

A small number of crimes in places with very small populations produce statistics that aren't representative of actual conditions.

A single incident of triple homicide in a town of 100 people would show up in the stats as 3,000 homicides per 100,000 people when extrapolated out to level the population to the standard.

That's one of the reasons that the FBI cautions not to use its UCR reports for direct city to city comparison purposes, and is most likely why so many smaller towns are showing up in the list in this post while Dallas does not.
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Post by philip964 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:12 am

Excaliber wrote:A small number of crimes in places with very small populations produce statistics that aren't representative of actual conditions.

A single incident of triple homicide in a town of 100 people would show up in the stats as 3,000 homicides per 100,000 people when extrapolated out to level the population to the standard.

That's one of the reasons that the FBI cautions not to use its UCR reports for direct city to city comparison purposes, and is most likely why so many smaller towns are showing up in the list in this post while Dallas does not.
The FBI report was for cities in excess of 100,000 people. One state did not have a city that big.


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Post by philip964 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:15 am

Rafe wrote:These numbers don't seem to jive with the ones from Business Insider, but the Houston Chronicle says that these came directly from FBI statistics for 2016, and the page was last updated October 2017. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 235877.php

30 Most Dangerous Texas Cities, 2016

Rank#. Town/City: Violent Crimes per 100,000
  1. Robstown: 1,741
  2. South Padre Island: 1,693
  3. Oyster Creek: 1,672
  4. Bellmead: 1,488
  5. Palmview: 1,440
  6. Palestine: 1,319
  7. Gonzales: 1,196
  8. Beaumont: 1,112
  9. Queen City: 1,091
  10. Lubbock : 1,083
  11. Donna: 1,074
  12. Overton: 1,066
  13. Hempstead: 1,054
  14. Frankston: 1,032
  15. Houston: 1,210
  16. Mathis: 1,007
  17. Tulia: 954
  18. Balcones Heights: 950
  19. Spur: 929
  20. Sinton: 921
  21. Cleveland: 899
  22. Port Lavaca: 899
  23. Alamo: 855
  24. Corrigan: 850
  25. Dalhart: 840
  26. Texarkana: 839
  27. Mexia: 825
  28. Littlefield: 812
  29. Ranger: 812
  30. Madisonville: 812
Is it possible that metro Dallas is not on the list?
If this is the case Houston would kick Honolulu up a notch as Houston would be 12.1 or tie. Texas is 30 on the Brady list. So we are in the restrictive half of the nation per Brady. Why would that be? Are we in the Goldilocks zone?


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Post by stash » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:39 am

J.R.@A&M wrote:Without any data, I would guess Houston is Texas’ most violent city. But only because Juarez and N.L. are on the other side of the river.
I remember reading some years back that when Juarez was described as the murder capital of the world, El Paso was considered one of the safest cities in the U.S.
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Post by SigM4 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:50 am

philip964 wrote:
The FBI report was for cities in excess of 100,000 people. One state did not have a city that big.
Having lived in Wyoming for a number of years I can say that true violent crime is pretty rare. More often than not the list of usual crimes revolves around drugs and petty theft, etc.
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Post by Rafe » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:37 am

philip964 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:A small number of crimes in places with very small populations produce statistics that aren't representative of actual conditions.

A single incident of triple homicide in a town of 100 people would show up in the stats as 3,000 homicides per 100,000 people when extrapolated out to level the population to the standard.

That's one of the reasons that the FBI cautions not to use its UCR reports for direct city to city comparison purposes, and is most likely why so many smaller towns are showing up in the list in this post while Dallas does not.
The FBI report was for cities in excess of 100,000 people. One state did not have a city that big.
And it seems misleading to list smaller incorporated areas as separate cities just because the legal charter says so. In the major metro areas you can actually commit crimes in multiple cities and multiple PD jurisdictions in the space of an hour or two just by driving down a freeway and taking every other exit. I know the FBI UCR can't do it, but looking at the metropolitan statistical areas as defined by the census might make more real sense when doing an overall comparison. Checked Wikipedia and it says there are 25 incorporated cities in Harris County including Houston, 9 additional cities that are partly in the county and partly in another, and 35 unincorporated communities with some big ones like Cypress and Champions Forest. Commit a violent crime in Bellaire and you can walk across the street into West University Place.


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Post by LeonCarr » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:55 am

Robstown?

Really?

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