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The "Riot Mentality" of School Shootings

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Post by troglodyte » Tue May 22, 2018 3:54 pm

I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
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Post by Beiruty » Tue May 22, 2018 4:05 pm

troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
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Beiruty wrote:
troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
Can you tell me who was executed for a mass shooting?
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
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ScottDLS wrote:
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
Seeing how the death penalty is not an option, I think his time served ought to be used testing experimental drugs. Maybe something good could come out of his waste of oxygen.

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Post by troglodyte » Tue May 22, 2018 4:28 pm

Beiruty wrote:
troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
Can you tell me who was executed for a mass shooting?
I'm sorry, I don't follow the question.
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Post by Allons » Tue May 22, 2018 4:33 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Beiruty wrote:
troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
Can you tell me who was executed for a mass shooting?
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
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Post by SewTexas » Tue May 22, 2018 5:00 pm

y'all realize this guy could, and apparently probably will, get out before he's 60....? Paxton isn't happy and is trying to work out something, but didn't sound hopeful yesterday.
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Post by Odinvalknir » Tue May 22, 2018 5:09 pm

jason812 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
Seeing how the death penalty is not an option, I think his time served ought to be used testing experimental drugs. Maybe something good could come out of his waste of oxygen.


Sounds like MKUltra to me.


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Post by WTR » Tue May 22, 2018 5:51 pm

jason812 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
Seeing how the death penalty is not an option, I think his time served ought to be used testing experimental drugs. Maybe something good could come out of his waste of oxygen.
Put a bullet in the back of his head..... Fine with me. I'm not stooping to the level of Nazi Germany and experimenting on anyone.


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Post by jason812 » Tue May 22, 2018 9:42 pm

WTR wrote:
jason812 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
Seeing how the death penalty is not an option, I think his time served ought to be used testing experimental drugs. Maybe something good could come out of his waste of oxygen.
Put a bullet in the back of his head..... Fine with me. I'm not stooping to the level of Nazi Germany and experimenting on anyone.
I would be fine with turning his lights out as painful as possible but that's not an option.

I can see your point in that once you start experimenting on people, even though it might be for good, where is the line between doing good and being sadistic? Especially if you have to purposefully infect the subject with a disease. But we are talking about a mass murderer not someone just picked up on the street for being Jewish. That being said, can you trust the government to keep that in check? Probably not. Just better to spend $0.50 on a bullet.

I think the article has some validity. I also think public hangings should be brought back to the courthouse square and happen shortly after sentencing. 3 hots and a cot plus free education is not much of a deterrent.


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Post by Odinvalknir » Tue May 22, 2018 9:50 pm

WTR wrote:
jason812 wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Too bad SCOTUS says you can't execute 17 year olds. Santa Fe HS shooter is a poster boy for the death penalty.
Seeing how the death penalty is not an option, I think his time served ought to be used testing experimental drugs. Maybe something good could come out of his waste of oxygen.
Put a bullet in the back of his head..... Fine with me. I'm not stooping to the level of Nazi Germany and experimenting on anyone.

Hell, Japan's unit 731 makes what's the Nazis did look like child's play.

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Post by J.R.@A&M » Tue May 22, 2018 10:15 pm

Beiruty wrote:
troglodyte wrote:I recently came across this article and it made a lot of sense. In a nutshell, school shooters seem to be following the rioter mentality. The first degree is the guy that is just waiting for an excuse to throw a rock through a window. Second degree does it because the first guy did and then all the way up to the person that wouldn't think of ever stealing something is grabbing things out of the window in the frenzy. Columbine laid out a pretty clear script and it seems many of the subsequent shooters have followed it to some degree. With each new shooter the next level is emboldened.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/w ... planation/
Can you tell me who was executed for a mass shooting?[/quote]

The pair of murderers in the story In Cold Blood shot four people, for which they were hung. But that was in , like, 1959.
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Post by cdwieg » Tue May 22, 2018 10:37 pm

I have not stayed current on all of the news coming from the Santa Fe shooting. However, I did read an article (linked below) where the father was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. He (the father) indicated his kid was a "good boy" but he had been bullied and "mistreated at the school". From the article, "Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn’t comment in his interview with the Journal on how his son acquired the weapons."

This is on the parents as much as it is on the kid. Lock up the guns and ammo and the percentages and probability of the shooting goes way down. You want to tighten the gun laws... put it on the parents to be responsible enough to lock up the guns if they have anyone in their house - minor or otherwise.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-of- ... 1526920563


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Post by MaduroBU » Tue May 22, 2018 11:22 pm

Cruel and unusual punishment satisfies a list for vengeance that ultimately harms those who inflict it as much as those who suffer it. A man who sets out for revenge should dig two graves, et c.

That motivation isn't needed to justify the death penalty. Some people have no hope of rehabilitation. Many who deserved to die in prison have mended their ways and done good for others from behind bars, murderers among them. This kid didn't steal a car. He didn't sell crack. He didn't shoot someone who had moved in on his turf. Those are crimes, but crimes whose motivation stems from desires that all if us have but suppress or channel. This kid murdered friends and strangers in cold blood. There is no path to rehabilitation for that. He and those like him must be humanely but irrevocably removed from human society.

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Post by Allons » Tue May 22, 2018 11:43 pm

cdwieg wrote:I have not stayed current on all of the news coming from the Santa Fe shooting. However, I did read an article (linked below) where the father was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal. He (the father) indicated his kid was a "good boy" but he had been bullied and "mistreated at the school". From the article, "Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn’t comment in his interview with the Journal on how his son acquired the weapons."

This is on the parents as much as it is on the kid. Lock up the guns and ammo and the percentages and probability of the shooting goes way down. You want to tighten the gun laws... put it on the parents to be responsible enough to lock up the guns if they have anyone in their house - minor or otherwise.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-of- ... 1526920563

:iagree: If these weapons were locked up and secured this could have been prevented.
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