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Post by philip964 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:28 pm

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portla ... ashington/#

Gun fell from holster while trying to break up fight. May have been retrieving it when someone said “gun”.

Navy veteran, father of three. Apparently shot from behind. Witness described him as a Good Samaritan.

Not sure if related to Oregon protests. Shot by campus police.

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Post by Scott B. » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:37 pm

What a rotten outcome. Guy's trying to play peacemaker, keeping his buddy out of the fight. Unfortunately, he's got a really <censored> carry system. No holster to my eye, looks like one of the clip draws (or some other minimalist retention) from the way that thing is flopping around.

Those can be 'ok' inside the waistband, but clipped to the pocket of your shorts?
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:39 pm

Wow. Bad situation all around. It is hard to really know what is what unless one knows all the actors and any relationships they have with other actors. It looked to me like several folks were playing tough guys. Wearing ones britches around the bottom of their butt will always make me profile a guy. I wonder what the whole thing started with?

I will say that based on that video alone those cops maybe were a bit trigger happy. But again, limited info so far.

It can get you killed trying to intervene in a brawl between others.
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Post by Paladin » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:26 pm

Very sad outcome.

Video was so chaotic it's not conclusive. Sounds like the officers saw a gun and shot the man. If Washington was in the back that could go badly in court.
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Post by puma guy » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:13 pm

Very chaotic video. Why the group and what appears to be the other aggressor in cam continued following and taunting is definitely a contributing factor to escalation and why the cops were not engaged in helping control them is bizarre to me. I think they were out of their league trying to deal with the situation, but unfortunately it appears they were quick to shoot. Have to wait and see what other info and/or video comes out. There was no audio when I viewed the video in the link.
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Post by Allons » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:54 pm

A crappy holster and a friend who was probably on liquid courage is the reason this guy got shot. Twice that guy wrapped his arms around him and pulled him away, but he just could not let it go. His friend paid for his actions.
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Post by C-dub » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:08 pm

That's going to be tough for the police, maybe. The victim appeared to be open carrying because of how low that thing was hanging on his pocket. One of the officers was standing right next to him while it was out there for all to see and the officer didn't seemed concerned with him at that point.

Then the video ends when the police shoot and all I could tell was that the victim had his back to the police at that time.

Hopefully, there will be more video that shows more.
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Post by WTR » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:34 pm

I found it interesting that some of the would be combatants were exhibiting some of the behaviors which were pointed out as potentially aggressive behaviors
as discribed in a video in another post on this forum.

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