ISIS murders two American bicycle tourists in Tajikistan

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ISIS murders two American bicycle tourists in Tajikistan

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Post by philip964 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:17 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/worl ... ttack.html

They wanted to experience the world and its people and maybe teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.

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Post by Allons » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:09 pm

Very sad indeed, I'm all for traveling the world, however, some places you just can't go.
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Post by LeonCarr » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:54 pm

RIP

So were these two just sitting at their kitchen table one morning, drinking coffee, and then all of a sudden agreed on bicycling through Tajikistan?

Future Bicyclists should do two things:

1. Go to www.state.gov and read the travel advisories, especially the ones on every country that ends in "stan".

2. Think about what happens when bicycles are brought to gunfights in places where you are unarmed and everybody else in the country isn't.

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Post by Deltaboy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:53 pm

Prayers sent for their families and friends!
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Post by bblhd672 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:44 am

Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own
Nope, it’s real.
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Post by lama » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:21 am

bblhd672 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:44 am
Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own
Nope, it’s real.
The second half of his quote is spot on though.
By and large, humans are kind. Self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind. Generous and wonderful and kind.”
by and large they are, that does not prove evil isn't real. sigh.


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Post by Rob72 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:27 am

Because he had no mortgage weighing him down, his miniature house meant that he could take unpaid leave from his government job and travel the globe.

At HUD at the end of each year, you could ask for a higher salary or more vacation,” said Ms. Ozery. “He always chose more vacation.”
In a post about why he chose to cycle — as opposed to, say, drive around the world — Mr. Austin spoke about the vulnerability of being on a bike. “With that vulnerability comes immense generosity: good folks who will recognize your helplessness and recognize that you need assistance in one form or another and offer it in spades,” he wrote.
A world-view sustained and supported by his exploitation of the, "common people." Was his tenure at Georgetown scholarship, financed by family...? If he had student loans, the exploitation is worse, as he was in no way repaying the kindness of the taxpaying population who supported his idealistic lifestyle. This style of humanism is typified by the belief that it is the social duty of others to extend welfare to you, inspite of negative choices and inadequate decision-making. I did not quote it, but this mindset is reinforced by "artificial planning," ie., calculating supply weights in grams, but ignoring a wider scope of risk-mitigation behaviors. Not traveling to Buttcrackizstan, for instance.

Equally, I am sure we will never hear comparisons between Mr. Austin and David Koresh, despite what would typically be obvious parallels:
Next came a stint in Namibia. Then it was a weekslong trip across India, said Ms. Ozery, who became friends with Mr. Austin in 1999 at their elementary school in Manalapan, N.J.
Period of intense socio-emotional connection, based on culmination of shared ideology and physical hardship.
Although Ms. Geoghegan, too, was a seasoned traveler — she had spent a summer in Beirut learning Arabic and a semester in Madrid becoming fluent in Spanish — the rugged, do-it-yourself journeys that had become Mr. Austin’s hallmark were new to her.
Her largely academic interest met with an ideological challenge: if you believe this, the way I act is how you should act.
His values began to rub off on her, say her friends. She bought a bikeshare day-pass, which turned into an annual membership. Soon she purchased her own bike.

Mr. Austin was a vegan. Ms. Geoghegan became a vegetarian, said her close friend Amanda Kerrigan.

It was in 2016 that Ms. Geoghegan told Ms. Kerrigan that she was planning to quit her job and bike around the world. Ms. Kerrigan could not suppress a little concern. “I said, ‘This is not the Lauren I know,’ ” she said, adding: “Jay changed the trajectory of Lauren’s life.”
Significant change in relational-norms, brought about by indoctrination(i.e., repetitive, daily exposure to ways of thinking/acting, with progressive escalation of risk).
The minute your instinct tells you something is wrong — leave,” Ms. Kerrigan told her. She was concerned for her friend, in part because of how bighearted she was and in part because she feared that Mr. Austin had a higher tolerance for danger than Ms. Geoghegan did.
Ideological pathology, as evidenced by the friend's observation.


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Post by Abraham » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:36 am

Hobo philsophy: “With that vulnerability comes immense generosity: good folks who will recognize your helplessness and recognize that you need assistance in one form or another and offer it in spades,” he wrote.

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Post by bblhd672 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:43 am

Rob72 wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:27 am


At HUD at the end of each year, you could ask for a higher salary or more vacation,”
:banghead:

Reason #4,930,203,048,841 why government spending is out of control. We'll never vote our way out of the mess the DC establishment has made of the country, at least not in my lifetime.
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Post by surprise_i'm_armed » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:41 pm

Speaking of danger on 2 wheels, recently about 12 American motorcyclists left Anchorage, Alaska
to start a 24,000 mile trip to the southern tip of Argentina.

Although I didn't check the maps of their route, wouldn't they have to traverse the violence-filled
climes of El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Columbia?

What could possibly go wrong as they pilot their $20,000 motorcycles through these impoverished lands?

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Post by mrvmax » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:15 am

You know that the security guard at the Nuke plant in Cape Town Africa was saying to himself “what idiots”. I read more and more stories about people quitting their jobs and doing stuff like this. If you are financially set for life then I see no issue. I think many people today rely on our welfare in one way or another. They want to quit their jobs but have the govt pay when they screw up. Whether it’s SNAP, SS, free medical etc their plan usually relys on the govt in some way.

It stated this guy saved up and lived a minimalistic lifestyle but I want to ask these people what their retirement plans are. If you never save where will the money come from when you want to retire? What happens when your health gets to where you cannot work? What happens when you can no longer bum off family? I think attitudes would change if our tax dollars didn’t subsidize this behavior. I can understand not wanting to go to work every day but that’s just a reality adults face. I wish we lived in the days prior to welfare where only family and the church was there to fall back on, you either worked or didn’t eat. That’s the way it should be.

It may seem cold but I have no remorse for these people, they chose their path and lost their lives due to bad decisions. I’d liken it to those people on social media filming themselves doing dangerous things (like hanging off sky scrapers) and dying in the process. They chose to live dangerously. Heck, they got lucky they made it as far as they did without being killed and honestly many people would have killed them in more horrific ways. They were adults and faced the consequences for their actions. There are people in every country on this planet that will help us given the chance but also those that will hurt us given the right opportunity. I live my life with that in mind.


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Post by crazy2medic » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:49 am

Don't leave Texas, cocked and locked 1911, head on a swivel, enjoy the view, laugh at the idiots!
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Post by philip964 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:35 am

I’m not a risk taker.

I pick low risk vacations.

In April I took my wife and her father in law to Spain, France and Italy.

We put 3000 miles on a rental car. They have nice interstate highways just like in the US.

I drove over that same bridge that collapsed in Genoa, Italy the day before, not once, but twice.

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Post by J.R.@A&M » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:39 am

Here’s what the travel advisory says now. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... isory.html I would think the same could apply through all the ancient Silk Road Countries.
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Post by BBYC » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:09 pm

For many people, risk adds to the enjoyment or, in some cases, is the main attraction. Whether it's roller coasters, adventure travel, or sports like skiing. People make choices and accept the risk for the potential reward.
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